JGRaider
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What constitutes getting the label "troll" around here, disagreeing with the consensus or what? I didn't notice Lou doing anything but offering his own opinion.
What constitutes getting the label "troll" around here, disagreeing with the consensus or what? I didn't notice Lou doing anything but offering his own opinion.
Watching impacts or misses is definitely not "silly"...it's actually the main point.but some of the nonsense like you need to do so because recoil or spotting shots is silly and not relevant for hunting.
Far as I know none of the big PRS guys shoot 223. I guess they know to shoot bigger cartridges when needed even if more recoil.
Lou
Far as I know none of the big PRS guys shoot 223. I guess they know to shoot bigger cartridges when needed even if more recoil.
Lou
I think you could notice the difference. We shoot 200 yard offhand matches at our club (Schutzen). They allow high power to compete with the Black powder cartridge rifles. Course of fire is 25 rounds per target/2 targets per match. Standing offhand, no sling, rest etc.it’s always important ask “can you shoot the difference” with these sorts of things. For me, the difference in recoil between a .223 and a .243 is noticeable but small enough to be irrelevant. The difference in recoil between a .270 and a 6.5x55 is pretty much imperceptible. 6.5x55 to .243 is a bigger jump but still doesn’t seem to matter on steel or animals. So less recoil = better accuracy, but in those rounds I’m not getting significantly better accuracy at the ranges I hunt by dropping in caliber. At least not within that range of calibers.
So for a lot of these discussions, the benefit is theoretical. If you shoot a bigger caliber well enough, and enjoy hunting with it, just keep using it
I guess it depends on if they are disagreeing or trolling my friend. Pretty easy to spot the difference most of the time.I don’t think we need to call anyone who disagrees with the trends this thread talks about a troll.
I think you could notice the difference. We shoot 200 yard offhand matches at our club (Schutzen). They allow high power to compete with the Black powder cartridge rifles. Course of fire is 25 rounds per target/2 targets per match. Standing offhand, no sling, rest etc.
I have shot matches and 50 round practices many many times with bolt action 308, 30/06,270,243,6.5 Creed, 6.5 Prc, 25 Prc, 223,222, and 223, 6Arc, 6.5 Grendel in gas guns. Without a doubt the lower the recoil the better the 50 round score is.
To date my Sako Vixen varmint in 222 shooting 40 gr. bullets at 2400 fps is by far the most consistently best scoring gun I have shot, and it's not even close. I just finished an 11 lb. 300 Blackout bolt gun to use for this. I am shooting 100 gr. bullets at 2000 fps.
spotting shots is not a good reason to pick a cartridge for hunting.
. Stay within your abilities, learn to control the rifle to keep the animal in scope for a follow up.
Lou
How many 223 rounds from a bolt gun did you shoot before it became obnoxious?
No. The focus should be getting ready to shoot again not wondering how bad you missed because you didn’t know where to hold the first time. Any case, you can easily spot shots with something larger than a 223 and you can get back on target quickly if have control of the rifle even if scope bounced off momentarily if focus on it. I was shooting a 6.8W with 175s at 450 the other day and could watch the impact on gong. That rifle has a break, but I do same with unbraked 270 and 6.5cm.These sentences don’t seem at odds to y
I may be a little slow but it’s my interpretation that’s exactly what all the smaller caliber guys are advocating forNo. The focus should be getting ready to shoot again
Lou
ExactlyI may be a little slow but it’s my interpretation that’s exactly what all the smaller caliber guys are advocating for
Speed of follow up is different terminology to me than spotting your shot. I could see some advantage thereI may be a little slow but it’s my interpretation that’s exactly what all the smaller caliber guys are advocating for
?How many 223 rounds from a bolt gun did you shoot before it became obnoxious?
Me? Not had that problem, but I am not recoil sensitive. I am assuming that for people who need to shoot a 223 because they are it will be a problem. It is nothing to be ashamed of. The effects of recoil are cumilative and just because your shooting eventually gets worse does not mean your first shot will be. I don’t know why that is hard to grasp
Fixed it for ya.But hey, I’m just some nobody on the internet…