Ops original topic has merit. Low Testosterone?
Oh the horror! No one is giving up precision by using a 7MM RM or 300 Win Mag. In no way does a 6.5 increase hit rates. What increases hit rates is taking shots within your level of competency and the cartridges capability. However bullet mass and energy have their place.Why is it that as soon as the discussion comes up about shifting to lower recoiling firearms someone always chimes in with the, "You must be a sissy", or "low testosterone", or "get a man-bun." or some other derogatory remark?
At the end of the day, if you are hunting an animal, you owe it to the animal to make the most precise shot that you can. As has been proven over and over and over, with factual data, not opinions or anecdotes, a lower recoiling rifle increases hit rates. Period.
If you are that insecure that you can't stand facts getting in the way of your preconceived notions, then maybe the people with a testosterone problem aren't on this side of the fence, because that sure sounds like emotions overruling logic, which is a predominately female attribute.
Ops original topic has merit. Low Testosterone?
It's a ridiculous response from those with little experience, lower than normal IQ, or likely both.Why is it that as soon as the discussion comes up about shifting to lower recoiling firearms someone always chimes in with the, "You must be a sissy", or "low testosterone", or "get a man-bun." or some other derogatory remark?
Or has no issues shooting a 7-08 instead of a 223 on deer and hogs or using a 30-06 on an elk hunt. The low testosterone comment was mostly to draw out the sensitive types. A more appropriate answer would be than most shoot paper or do very little shooting. Yes if you don't shoot much a soft recoiling rifle is going to be easier for you to shoot. The smaller cartridges work fine in open country or over feeders. A public land elk hunt in Western Washington is not the place for a 243 running a fancy match bullet. It can be done but why? I consider it more likely that those who espouse cartridges like the 223 or 243 for all hunting as probably having little experience, lower than normal IQ or both. I have used both cartridges but for varmints and deer where appropriate. Just because I prefer a 7-08 does not mean I am dumb or inexperienced.It's a ridiculous response from those with little experience, lower than normal IQ, or likely both.
Oh the horror! No one is giving up precision by using a 7MM RM or 300 Win Mag. In no way does a 6.5 increase hit rates. What increases hit rates is taking shots within your level of competency and the cartridges capability. However bullet mass and energy have their place.
You mean the guy who carries a 9 mm for bear protection and killed a brown with it?Who you gonna believe then, random wannabe's on the internet? LMAO......... I suggest emaling Phil Shoemaker and listen to what he says.
Honest questions for you to answer:Or has no issues shooting a 7-08 instead of a 223 on deer and hogs or using a 30-06 on an elk hunt. The low testosterone comment was mostly to draw out the sensitive types. A more appropriate answer would be than most shoot paper or do very little shooting. Yes if you don't shoot much a soft recoiling rifle is going to be easier for you to shoot. The smaller cartridges work fine in open country or over feeders. A public land elk hunt in Western Washington is not the place for a 243 running a fancy match bullet. It can be done but why? I consider it more likely that those who espouse cartridges like the 223 or 243 for all hunting as probably having little experience, lower than normal IQ or both. I have used both cartridges but for varmints and deer where appropriate. Just because I prefer a 7-08 does not mean I am dumb or inexperienced.
No, "carries" is not accurate, that would be "carried", once. If you had bothered to read Phil's article, you would know that that was a one time deal and that he emphasized that he normally carries a 45 every day. Good try though.You mean the guy who carries a 9 mm for bear protection and killed a brown with it?
RS goldI consider it more likely that those who espouse cartridges like the 223 or 243 for all hunting as probably having little experience, lower than normal IQ or both.
I couldn't care less what cartridge you shoot. I was taking issue with your ignorant "testosterone" comment regarding light recoiling rifles/cartridges. It's a ridiculous position to take.Or has no issues shooting a 7-08 instead of a 223 on deer and hogs or using a 30-06 on an elk hunt. The low testosterone comment was mostly to draw out the sensitive types. A more appropriate answer would be than most shoot paper or do very little shooting. Yes if you don't shoot much a soft recoiling rifle is going to be easier for you to shoot. The smaller cartridges work fine in open country or over feeders. A public land elk hunt in Western Washington is not the place for a 243 running a fancy match bullet. It can be done but why? I consider it more likely that those who espouse cartridges like the 223 or 243 for all hunting as probably having little experience, lower than normal IQ or both. I have used both cartridges but for varmints and deer where appropriate. Just because I prefer a 7-08 does not mean I am dumb or inexperienced.
Well, it's a perfect example as to why hunters never unite. Always have a group who thinks their way is God's way, and will belittle anyone else, but then complains why hunting is always attacked loosing privileges.I couldn't care less what cartridge you shoot. I was taking issue with your ignorant "testosterone" comment regarding light recoiling rifles/cartridges. It's a ridiculous position to take.
You and I rarely agree, but we 100% align here and that feels nice.I couldn't care less what cartridge you shoot. I was taking issue with your ignorant "testosterone" comment regarding light recoiling rifles/cartridges. It's a ridiculous position to take.
Oh the horror! No one is giving up precision by using a 7MM RM or 300 Win Mag. In no way does a 6.5 increase hit rates. What increases hit rates is taking shots within your level of competency and the cartridges capability. However bullet mass and energy have their place.
My group of poor kids did pretty well with 119 ft pounds of energy at 50 yards. I think around 80 at 100 yards. CCI Singers 22lr. Nine of my first dozen whitetail kills were with Stingers.This isn’t super relevant other than it’s further proof that energy isn't a good metric and wound characteristics matter, but y’all should hang out with guys who cast their own bullets to hunt with sometime. Those dudes are getting reliable kills with obsolete rounds that don’t even generate .223 energy levels, using wide meplat bullets that bore a hole through the animal like a wadcutter.
These guys have a completely different mindset about terminal ballistics than most, they expect the deer to run a little ways but know it won’t go far and that they can blood trail it easily, so in that regard it’s a lot like bow hunting. They’re the first group of people I ever saw effectively dismantle the “1,000 ft lbs minimum for big game” argument.
Oh the horror! No one is giving up precision by using a 7MM RM or 300 Win Mag. In no way does a 6.5 increase hit rates. What increases hit rates is taking shots within your level of competency and the cartridges capability. However bullet mass and energy have their place.
No, "carries" is not accurate, that would be "carried", once. If you had bothered to read Phil's article, you would know that that was a one time deal and that he emphasized that he normally carries a 45 every day. Good try though.
No, if you bothered to read what he still writes on the Fire you would know that. Of course, that stuff you posted from 18 years ago that he wrote supports your opinion better than the stuff he wrote in the last 10 years.No, "carries" is not accurate, that would be "carried", once. If you had bothered to read Phil's article, you would know that that was a one time deal and that he emphasized that he normally carries a 45 every day. Good try though.
Well it depends on how long between shots for those 20 shot groups. Are you saying a 7MM remington magnum or a 30-06 are heavy recoiling rifles? I don't shoot groups when hunting and don't take shots in non ideal positions if there is any distance involved. I do shoot a lot from "field type positions".Do you think recoil has no effect on performance/precision?
Can you provide a 10-20 shot group from your .300WM?
I've noticed substantial difference in group size between high and low recoiling rifles, especially in non-ideal, field type shooting positions.
Do you believe the cartridge you use is a reflection of your "manliness"?Ops original topic has merit. Low Testosterone?