What caused the Rokslide shift to smallest caliber and cartridges?

[Gstew1930]

It was quartered to me at 414 yards. Placement was good, but the exit went out through the guts.

on practice & training. I’ve got about 700 rounds down range in field conditions this year.

By the way.. my post was tongue in cheek.. my “insurance” is a 6 CM shooting 112 Match Burners.

What was the impact velocity here? I’m planning on hunting with the MB’s this season. I didn’t know they caused that kind of damage lol

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

What was the impact velocity here? I’m planning on hunting with the MB’s this season. I didn’t know they caused that kind of damage lol

2,450 fps.

 

[pilgrim7]

Oh the horror! No one is giving up precision by using a 7MM RM or 300 Win Mag. In no way does a 6.5 increase hit rates. What increases hit rates is taking shots within your level of competency and the cartridges capability. However bullet mass and energy have their place.

Do you have any data to back up this fuddery?

 

[Big_wals]

However long you need. I regularly shoot 1.1-1.2 MOA 10+ shot groups with my low-testosterone .243AI, in a single string.

Lol. Im gonna start calling my .243 the Low T RSS

 

[mt terry d]

You and I rarely agree, but we 100% align here and that feels nice.

Might I suggest TRT?

Just kidding!! I couldn't help it. Well, I could but that's not how I roll.

I'm a self-certified born again 223/77TMK Fanboi, no excuses made.

320 yards. One shot. Kept in scope because there were another hundred elk
in the bunch and their escape route was across the fence on property I was
not allowed to hunt. And I've shot elk with the big mags, seen others do it and
know elk can pack a lot of lead at times, even with well placed shots.

 

[ORJoe]

Must be, those who think there is nothing a 300 Win mag can do better than a 243 or 6.5 Creed really are not thinking it through.

There are things a 300 WM can do better than a 243 or 6.5C.
Whatever those little cartridges can do at 700 to 1,000 yards, the 300 WM can do the same at 1200 to 1500.
Are you a good enough shot to hit something that much further out and use the extra whatever the big one provides? Most people aren't.
So the extra cost of the big WM doesn't come with a benefit that most people could even use.

 

[Lou270]

I have no issue with somebody using a 223 to hunt if that is what they want, but some of the nonsense like you need to do so because recoil or spotting shots is silly and not relevant for hunting. If you can shoot your rifle well, whether a 300 or 223 then good to go. The fact you can shoot a 223 better for a 30 shot string is irrelevant. A 223 will eventually become obnoxious if shoot enough. Anybody with an older sibling who poked you in the same spot can tell you that Spotting shots that drift left or right on steel is one thing. If that is happening to you hunting learn how to stalk and get closer vs thinking practice is going to help. The best PRS shooters who are world class at shooting and reading wind know this and use mild cartridges to spot shots. However, That is piss poor reason to use a cartridge for shooting animals and is at best a false sense of security for taking shots you should not

Lou

 

[mt terry d]

A 223 will eventually become obnoxious if shoot enough.

How many 223 rounds from a bolt gun did you shoot before it became obnoxious?

 

[wind gypsy]

I have no issue with somebody using a 223 to hunt if that is what they want, but some of the nonsense like you need to do so because recoil or spotting shots is silly and not relevant for hunting. If you can shoot your rifle well, whether a 300 or 223 then good to go. The fact you can shoot a 223 better for a 30 shot string is irrelevant. A 223 will eventually become obnoxious if shoot enough. Anybody with an older sibling who poked you in the same spot can tell you that Spotting shots that drift left or right on steel is one thing. If that is happening to you hunting learn how to stalk and get closer vs thinking practice is going to help. The best PRS shooters who are world class at shooting and reading wind know this and use mild cartridges to spot shots. However, That is piss poor reason to use a cartridge for shooting animals and is at best a false sense of security for taking shots you should not

Or the best PRS shooters know they shoot smaller cartridges better.

 

[Lou270]

Far as I know none of the big PRS guys shoot 223. I guess they know to shoot bigger cartridges when needed even if more recoil.

Lou

 

[id_jon]

Far as I know none of the big PRS guys shoot 223. I guess they know to shoot bigger cartridges when needed even if more recoil.

Lou

A 18-25lb 6.5cm(at the biggest) with a brake is not going to recoil much more(if at all) than a 7-10lb 223 with a can.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

 

[JGRaider]

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What constitutes getting the label "troll" around here, disagreeing with the consensus or what? I didn't notice Lou doing anything but offering his own opinion.

 

[HingleMcCringleberry]

but some of the nonsense like you need to do so because recoil or spotting shots is silly and not relevant for hunting.

Watching impacts or misses is definitely not "silly"...it's actually the main point.

Ps saying ignorant stuff like the above is what earns the "troll" status.

 

[Ozarkansas]

it’s always important ask “can you shoot the difference” with these sorts of things. For me, the difference in recoil between a .223 and a .243 is noticeable but small enough to be irrelevant. The difference in recoil between a .270 and a 6.5x55 is pretty much imperceptible. 6.5x55 to .243 is a bigger jump but still doesn’t seem to matter on steel or animals. So less recoil = better accuracy, but in those rounds I’m not getting significantly better accuracy at the ranges I hunt by dropping in caliber. At least not within that range of calibers.
So for a lot of these discussions, the benefit is theoretical. If you shoot a bigger caliber well enough, and enjoy hunting with it, just keep using it

 

[wind gypsy]

Far as I know none of the big PRS guys shoot 223. I guess they know to shoot bigger cartridges when needed even if more recoil.

Lou

Of course. 223s do start to get blown around notably quicker at distance. I’ve not had 223 offer quite the top end precision and consistency as some of the other cartridges either.

 

[RockAndSage]

Far as I know none of the big PRS guys shoot 223. I guess they know to shoot bigger cartridges when needed even if more recoil.

Lou

And what percentage of PRS shooters are shooting .338 Lapua, or any magnum at all?

How many PRS matches have you shooting from extremely steep slopes on terrain that leaves you in such an awkward semi-standing/squatting/half-kneeling position that you'll smoke your own forehead with your scope without perfect form, or a low-recoil cartridge and gun?

Equating PRS to field realities of a big game hunt is about as useful as comparing IDPA to real-world self-defense - you may get something useful out of the practice, but it's easy to get a false perception of reality if that's all you do.

Rifles in .223 are about the equivalent of handguns in 9mm - most guys hunting with magnums are doing the functional equivalent of running an IDPA match with a .44magnum revolver. Sure, you can do it...but where does a .44mag fall on the spectrum of overall effectiveness - including shootability? Not the cartridge, but the effectiveness of the overall package, including your ability to make it an extension of your will, as fast as possible?

 

[RockAndSage]

If anyone's wondering what the most common PRS calibers are this year amongst the top shooters - it's over 75% 6mm, 10% .25cal, and only 6% shooting 6.5mm, followed by a smattering of .30cal, .22, and 7mm:

What The Pros Use: Precision Rifle Calibers & Cartridges

Welcome to “What The Pros Use” 2024 Edition! I surveyed the top-ranked shooters in the Precision Ri...

precisionrifleblog.com

 

[wind gypsy]

I don’t think we need to call anyone who disagrees with the trends this thread talks about a troll.

 

[Axlrod]

it’s always important ask “can you shoot the difference” with these sorts of things. For me, the difference in recoil between a .223 and a .243 is noticeable but small enough to be irrelevant. The difference in recoil between a .270 and a 6.5x55 is pretty much imperceptible. 6.5x55 to .243 is a bigger jump but still doesn’t seem to matter on steel or animals. So less recoil = better accuracy, but in those rounds I’m not getting significantly better accuracy at the ranges I hunt by dropping in caliber. At least not within that range of calibers.
So for a lot of these discussions, the benefit is theoretical. If you shoot a bigger caliber well enough, and enjoy hunting with it, just keep using it

I think you could notice the difference. We shoot 200 yard offhand matches at our club (Schutzen). They allow high power to compete with the Black powder cartridge rifles. Course of fire is 25 rounds per target/2 targets per match. Standing offhand, no sling, rest etc.

I have shot matches and 50 round practices many many times with bolt action 308, 30/06,270,243,6.5 Creed, 6.5 Prc, 25 Prc, 223,222, and 223, 6Arc, 6.5 Grendel in gas guns. Without a doubt the lower the recoil the better the 50 round score is.
To date my Sako Vixen varmint in 222 shooting 40 gr. bullets at 2400 fps is by far the most consistently best scoring gun I have shot, and it's not even close. I just finished an 11 lb. 300 Blackout bolt gun to use for this. I am shooting 100 gr. bullets at 2000 fps. There is an advantage to larger diameter bullet holes in scoring. And your spotter can see them easier.

On the scoreboard at our shoots, in High power the smaller cartridges are at the top. In the Black powder cartridge rifles the smaller cartridges are at the top- it usually goes .32/40, .38/55, and 45/70,90,100.