What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[String&stick]

I started a construction business this last year. I haven't made any money yet due to the debt associated with doing it. I sure hope people keep building and remodeling or, its going to turn out as the poster child for the bad timing. I also started a landscaping business buying two crews worth of equipment. Mowers, blowers, trimmers, edgers, trailers, trucks, etc.... I sure hope people can afford to still have this service as it will turn out as the poster child for filing bankruptcy if not. Whatever happens, happens. I can't do a thing about it if things don't improve except start over.

It is interesting to me that I have yet to hear of any major creditors saying they will work with borrowers at this point. If we were to get lucky and contain this to the areas being impacted the worse now, I don't suspect there would be much grace given in other areas. Even though the scare of this alone has already damaged these kinds of services every where. If this went away tomorrow, small business would feel the impacts for years as is. It doesn't look good.

WV, I work at a community Bank that is Heavily involved with AG. We called all of our customers Friday. (Ag, commercial, and as many consumers as possible). Our message was, if we haven't had trust and reliability problems with you before we are going to walk through this and figure it out. If we have had issues in the past with you, (lying, habitually late during good times, etc.) You need to figure out your game plan, because we will be to busy working with the good customers to worry about those that were on the road to failure during good times or just weren't honest.

Overall if you are financed with a community bank I think they will do all they can to help you as you are the lifeblood of their business. Hell maybe they will have you care for their lawns. But if you borrow from a big national chain, it's anybody's guess how they will respond.

 

[Fatcamp]

2 cents from an RN here. We still have NO clue how this is going to play out. Anybody who thinks they do is full of shit. It is interesting, but not surprising, to see so many "know it all" takes from people that probably know very little about the daily in's and out's of hospitals in the US.

Here is my anecdote: One of the confirmed patients in my hospital was on our floor a week ago. He came in for Rib FX's, did not have symptoms, and accordingly was NOT on precautions. Fast forward to a few days ago, he spikes a fever. Begins showing respiratory symptoms. Fast forward to today and he has moved to the isolation unit and is confirmed COVID19. Guess how many employees and visitors went into his room without PPE? Guess how many other similar situations have occurred across the country. I'm no Nostradamus, but the odds are pretty good this is just the calm before the storm.

Yaaaaa, kinda all this. Rapid testing will be good but honestly people may be contagious for a significant period prior to symptoms which means massive exposure. One concern I have right now is everyone with symptoms is being isolated until until test results return which is days at this point. During that period they are in a high risk setting and potentially being infected if they weren't to start with. Then their negative results return, they discharge, but now they are infected.

What a mess. At this point I agree, calm before the storm.

 

[elkhunter505]

For all you healthcare providers on here, I’d like to know how you all view the study from France about hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. I am in no means an expert on reading scientific studies but based on what everyone says, it seems like it could be a viable treatment in absence of any other treatments.

 

[5MilesBack]

So.....I’m curious, and maybe we should start a poll. How many think we should open all business and let this run its course, who ever lives...lives and who ever dies....dies ?? We are doing the total opposite right now but it’s clear some think we shouldn’t be....

We've seen those options before in other forms........"perceived safety at the expense of liberty".

This is America........or used to be America. Why not let the businesses make their own decisions about staying open. And then let Americans make their own decisions about going to these places of business or not. And also allow those Americans to isolate or not isolate if they so choose.

But, but, but.......everyone will die! That's a possibility. But at least they went out being an American.

 

[Fatcamp]

Out of my lane, elkhunter505. I really hope they find something though. Soon.

It's only a matter of time until this thing finds its way into more assistive living centers, and that will be bad. People discharge out of hospitals every day back to ALCs. Some will be going back infected, it's just a matter of time.

Or infected family will visit after their Florida vacation. Like I said, it's a mess.

 

[jorgensen.travis]

Just saw this. Everyone should watch this.

That was from before the craziness. The only numbers they had to go off of were from China.


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[ODB]

For all you healthcare providers on here, I’d like to know how you all view the study from France about hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. I am in no means an expert on reading scientific studies but based on what everyone says, it seems like it could be a viable treatment in absence of any other treatments.

There has been a lot of knee jerk on both sides of this. On one side it’s a cure-all, on the other side it “irresponsible because it’s not tested, approved, etc.”. One thing to keep in mind is that anti-malarials and anti-biotics are often prescribed at the same time, with the anti-malarial to prevent malaria and the anti-B to use in extreme cases of dysentery/ traveler’s diarrhea as needed only. Point being if the two together were lethal as some are saying, we’d know about it and there would be strict regs on this. Kind of like there is with mefloquine, which causes such mental issues it’s black-boxed, although some people use it just fine.

Lesson: talk to a smart infectious disease doc, your family doc probably ain’t that familiar with the anti-malarials.

 

[elkhunter505]

Thanks OBD! I am doing research but it’s very hard to find the exact paper with the stats, everything is articles about the paper.

 

[ODB]

Thanks OBD! I am doing research but it’s very hard to find the exact paper with the stats, everything is articles about the paper.

Another example: when Sanif-Pasteur ran out of yellow fever vaccines a few years ago (YF-VAX), they allowed Stamaril to be imported and be used in its place. The rub? Stamaril is not an FDA approved drug and therefore had to be labeled experimental even though it’s been wide use in other countries for decades. That limited the number of places you could get it. I had to drive over two hours to get it, but hey, you go to Africa, you get the vaccine.

no one seemed to lose their shit that Stamaril is not approved but in wide use.

 

[jmez]

Out of my lane, elkhunter505. I really hope they find something though. Soon.

It's only a matter of time until this thing finds its way into more assistive living centers, and that will be bad. People discharge out of hospitals every day back to ALCs. Some will be going back infected, it's just a matter of time.

Or infected family will visit after their Florida vacation. Like I said, it's a mess.

This is and already has been happening since we had our first case. It's already included in our current numbers.

 

[MattB]

I never said keeping kids from school wouldn't decrease their contacts. What I said was: now that the kids can't go to school, they are going to interact with different people more, in my experience here, their grandparents. Parents going to work, kids going to their grandparents. So now due to this policy you've increased the exposure and risk associated to the most vulnerable part of the population. Absent the policy, the grandparents could just hole up and ride it out.

Is this really that difficult to understand? Are you purposely being obtuse for my entertainment or yours?

Just rephrasing what you posted to highlight how.....uncommon....the logic was. If kids were kept out of school, it would be virtually impossible in this environment for them to be exposed to more people. But you need data before you can believe that.

Where I live, most people aren't going to work so they have their kids home with them. In this day and age, many people have the capacity to work from home. Very few of.my daughter's friend's grandparents live in the area. But you've decided based on anecdotal evidence that the kids will be shipped off to the grandparents and that will be the standard. No data needed.

It sounds to me like you have a preconception of how this should play out and are trying to justify it.

 

[Fatcamp]

This is and already has been happening since we had our first case. It's already included in our current numbers.

What are you referring to? ALC outbreaks? I don't watch the news but the one in Washington is the only one I am aware of.

ETA: Ugh. A quick Google search shows you are correct. Damn. I've been working and don't have much free time. That's gonna be bad.

 

[jmez]

Was referring to people in general being discharged and going back out into society, not necessarily just ALC's. If ALC centers don't have procedures in place to stop it from entering that is on them.

Those are the types of places where health officials and protocols need to be focusing their efforts and resources.

 

[Don Qui Puncher]

I feel for you man, I do think we'll bounce back quick as long as you can hang in there for a bit and weather this storm. my brother has a landscaping business, i'm a fisherman.... I have trended into the tourist based end the last year (what I grew up doing) because I was sick of being gone so much during my 17yrs commercial fishing.... still hoping to spend more than I have to get my own thing going, but of course i'll have to see how this all plays out.

i'm not scared of debt as long as I can work, but if people aren't spending money, i'll have to go back to commercial fishing, but feel fortunate I didn't just put myself 200k more into debt right now.... planned on doing that this winter.... again, lucky.

you being established for a year is a blessing too.... that helps, but this will be a setback for many of us.

Your lucky you can still fish they shut down just about all lobstering here, most of the market was shipped to China with the remainder to local markets and no one is buying tough times for sure, most guys are hauling all their gear in now, clams went from 4.25-.75 a LB it’s not worth going. I hope your fishery stays in tact a lot of guys hurting around here.

 

[Fatcamp]

Was referring to people in general being discharged and going back out into society, not necessarily just ALC's. If ALC centers don't have procedures in place to stop it from entering that is on them.

Those are the types of places where health officials and protocols need to be focusing their efforts and resources.

They do. After the Washington case I would have thought those places would be on lockdown everywhere. Guess not.

 

[GHOSTofWENDELL]

We've seen those options before in other forms........"perceived safety at the expense of liberty".

This is America........or used to be America. Why not let the businesses make their own decisions about staying open. And then let Americans make their own decisions about going to these places of business or not. And also allow those Americans to isolate or not isolate if they so choose.

But, but, but.......everyone will die! That's a possibility. But at least they went out being an American.

This comes off as so unbelievably ignorant and arrogant.

 

[Scrappy]

I have a good friend who's an ICU nurse here in the Seattle area as well. Major hospital. They only have 2 dozen confirmed patients and she has the next week off. People think it's the apocalypse here and it's not at all. Most people that have a brain are staying home but life is pretty much normal other than that. Grocery stores are normal as well. Although its "unsafe" for hospital workers with the lack of PPE so far, Seattle hospitals seem fine otherwise. Interesting to hear about doom and gloom when you're living and working in the immediate area but you're not seeing or hearing anything to corroborate it. New York on the other hand, I would not want to be anywhere near there right now.

Its really simple if there really was so much doom and gloom in the hot spots it would be on 24 /7. We would be watching it live as it happens. It would be just like hurricane coverage on the news.

 

[GraveyardNRSE]

This comes off as so unbelievably ignorant and arrogant.

I agree. Some of the responses on here are mind blowing.

 

[Trial153]

This comes off as so unbelievably ignorant and arrogant.

Like almost every thing he posts.

 

[5MilesBack]

This comes off as so unbelievably ignorant and arrogant.

Or it comes off as being an "American"........which we've always been called and considered things from other nations, but that's what makes us Americans and America. I believe that it's more ignorant, arrogant, or unAmerican to trample all over American's rights, liberties, and freedoms. If you're willing to ignore those in this case, what stops you from ignoring them in any other case? Might as well just use the Constitution for TP, but I'm sure there are many that would gladly do that.

I take it a step further........for me it's the same as when the left wants to initiate gun control every time there's a mass shooting or such. IMO I don't care if every person in the nation dies to gunfire (doubtful though)........you don't mess with the 2A or the Constitution. That's what has always made America different from the rest of the world. The rest of the world's governments can do as they please for any situation, but America is different......and should remain different. Once we lose our liberties, our freedoms, or our rights as Americans.......our nation is doomed.

It may sound callous but IMO it's more important to keep America America, than to trample all over our freedoms, liberties, and rights for the sake or premise of "keeping more people alive". If that's how we operate from here on out, then they need to completely ban all smoking and smoking devices of every kind, ban alcohol, ban pot, ban fast food, ban sodas, ban sugar, ban vehicles and driving, etc, etc, etc. See where this goes? At that point there is no benefit to living.

Why freak out about one thing that is killing people, but ignore the rest?????? That's not logical.