What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[Trial153]

Case closed....

 

[GHOSTofWENDELL]

Or it comes off as being an "American"........which we've always been called and considered things from other nations, but that's what makes us Americans and America. I believe that it's more ignorant, arrogant, or unAmerican to trample all over American's rights, liberties, and freedoms. If you're willing to ignore those in this case, what stops you from ignoring them in any other case? Might as well just use the Constitution for TP, but I'm sure there are many that would gladly do that.

I take it a step further........for me it's the same as when the left wants to initiate gun control every time there's a mass shooting or such. IMO I don't care if every person in the nation dies to gunfire (doubtful though)........you don't mess with the 2A or the Constitution. That's what has always made America different from the rest of the world. The rest of the world's governments can do as they please for any situation, but America is different......and should remain different. Once we lose our liberties, our freedoms, or our rights as Americans.......our nation is doomed.

It may sound callous but IMO it's more important to keep America America, than to trample all over our freedoms, liberties, and rights for the sake or premise of "keeping more people alive". If that's how we operate from here on out, then they need to completely ban all smoking and smoking devices of every kind, ban alcohol, ban pot, ban fast food, ban sodas, ban sugar, ban vehicles and driving, etc, etc, etc. See where this goes? At that point there is no benefit to living.

Why freak out about one thing that is killing people, but ignore the rest?????? That's not logical.

Wanting to slow the spread of a new virus that is rocking parts of the world does not equate to using the constitution as toilet paper. You obviously do not seek a reasonable or intelligent back and forth here, but instead seem to just like posting edgy takes to seem tough or badass. I love my rights as much as the next American and have been active duty military my whole adult life. Hope you get the reactions you're looking for, and I hope this virus stays clear of your loved ones.

 

[joeljenewein]

Case closed....

You mean for toughest guy on the forum? Damm straight.

 

[5MilesBack]

Hope you get the reactions you're looking for, and I hope this virus stays clear of your loved ones.

I'm not looking for reactions, I just prefer it when our freedoms, liberties, and rights aren't trampled by the government and Americans that are OK with that "for the sake of saving lives". That's not "tough or badass", that's being an American and Patriot.

But since you're OK with these measures, then I guess you're OK with all the other life-saving measures I listed in my post as well......correct? And if not, why would you pick and choose which deaths you actually care about???? See the quandary yet? And yes, I do seek an intelligent and reasonable back and forth with this........because it deserves some thought and contemplation......by all Americans.

This is no different than the left that in the past only seemed to care about "deaths by gunfire", while ignoring deaths by everything else. Then everyone freaks out about "death by corona virus" but will they then also ignore all those other deaths? I'm guessing yes. There's a word for that.........hypocritical. Just like so many that appear to cherish life in one instance, but are OK with killing millions in another instance.

 

[roosiebull]

Currently essential businesses are allowed to remain open. That does not stop the spread. To stop the spread there is no essential business. There is no travel, including in your own town. There is complete and total lockdown of everything and everyone for the incubation period of the virus until there are 0 new cases.

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i'm sure you know this, but the theory is not to "stop" the spread, but to slow it down so the health care services aren't overwhelmed. full lockdown just isn't realistic I don't think, way too many unprepared for that, but I agree on the effectiveness.... pull off the bandaid, get it over with.

at this point, I wish that was a realistic possibility, just to get over this situation, and get back to life..... I don't think things will be normal for awhile, it's not like we are gonna be able to do what we're doing for 2 weeks and then have everything be fine.

I think the concept is buy some time, and see how bad it actually is in 2 weeks and assess from there. I think we are getting the "stay at home" order starting tomorrow...as it is, all boat ramps and parks are closed, so my social distancing recreation is pretty limited, and that sucks.

at least I have vast national forest behind my house, so worst case I can still stay in the woods and hunt lions and look for sheds. I think the actions of the tourists this weekend sealed the deal for us, they certainly weren't practicing social distancing, and if folks can't, then more restrictions will come into place, which is unfortunate.

beaches are closed here too, which is a bummer for locals, but it is what it is.

i'm going shopping today to get supplies to do the things I need to do, hopefully stay somewhat occupied. I don't do good sitting around at home.

still no cases in my county, but i'm sure there will be in a few days, there were just too many people on the coast this weekend, and they put in no effort to be careful..... hope i'm wrong

 

[Scrappy]

There has been a lot of knee jerk on both sides of this. On one side it’s a cure-all, on the other side it “irresponsible because it’s not tested, approved, etc.”. One thing to keep in mind is that anti-malarials and anti-biotics are often prescribed at the same time, with the anti-malarial to prevent malaria and the anti-B to use in extreme cases of dysentery/ traveler’s diarrhea as needed only. Point being if the two together were lethal as some are saying, we’d know about it and there would be strict regs on this. Kind of like there is with mefloquine, which causes such mental issues it’s black-boxed, although some people use it just fine.

Lesson: talk to a smart infectious disease doc, your family doc probably ain’t that familiar with the anti-malarials.

The good old days of mefloquine, it was what we were given back in the nineties in Africa. We were Marines so we had fun with it. Sneak into the marines room that was on shift the night of our weekly dose. Catch them having some wild a$$ dreams. Also found out that they were illegal in the US when the drug dog alerted on my luggage in the Chicago airport.

 

[conley417]

I want to talk about me. Want to talk about I. Want to talk about number one. Oh my me my

 

[5MilesBack]

I want to talk about me. Want to talk about I. Want to talk about number one. Oh my me my

And therein lies a huge part of the problem. Everyone thinking that any one person or group is more important than the nation as a whole.

 

[S.Clancy]

I want to talk about me. Want to talk about I. Want to talk about number one. Oh my me my

That was/is a horrific song.

 

[jmez]

You are correct, you can not do a complete lock down. Not in any way feasible. Somebodies sink valve breaks, toilet plugs and they can't clear it. Someone falls on the stairs and breaks an arm, etc etc etc. Can't and won't happen. The way the question was posed was to stop the spread.

Social distancing is a good idea. Everyone should practice that. I'm not in favor of shutting down business.

 

[spike camp]

Comparing shutting down the country, to save lives, due to a novel virus....to sugar and car crashes, is ludicrous at best.

There is another demented individual on Archery Talk that said something to the effect of....the people that are dying only have a few years left anyway, why crash the economy for them.

 

[Trial153]

The tone deaf doesn't hear the song anyway

 

[204guy]

Our country is quite literally at war right now. Not in the traditional sense obviously but at war none the less. Standing there professing to do exactly the opposite of what our country needs right now doesnt make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor.

 

[trazerr]

i'm sure you know this, but the theory is not to "stop" the spread, but to slow it down so the health care services aren't overwhelmed. full lockdown just isn't realistic I don't think, way too many unprepared for that, but I agree on the effectiveness.... pull off the bandaid, get it over with.

at this point, I wish that was a realistic possibility, just to get over this situation, and get back to life..... I don't think things will be normal for awhile, it's not like we are gonna be able to do what we're doing for 2 weeks and then have everything be fine.

I think the concept is buy some time, and see how bad it actually is in 2 weeks and assess from there. I think we are getting the "stay at home" order starting tomorrow...as it is, all boat ramps and parks are closed, so my social distancing recreation is pretty limited, and that sucks.

at least I have vast national forest behind my house, so worst case I can still stay in the woods and hunt lions and look for sheds. I think the actions of the tourists this weekend sealed the deal for us, they certainly weren't practicing social distancing, and if folks can't, then more restrictions will come into place, which is unfortunate.

beaches are closed here too, which is a bummer for locals, but it is what it is.

i'm going shopping today to get supplies to do the things I need to do, hopefully stay somewhat occupied. I don't do good sitting around at home.

still no cases in my county, but i'm sure there will be in a few days, there were just too many people on the coast this weekend, and they put in no effort to be careful..... hope i'm wrong

I saw some pictures and videos of the Oregon coast this weekend. It was busier than a 80 degree day in summer! There was a pic of the beach at Pelican Brewery. As far as the eye could see down the beach was rig after rig. I've drank there when it was picture perfect weather on a Saturday and there weren't nearly that amount of rigs lined down that beach.. I agree we will be getting a lockdown. Sounds like it will be announced today.

 

[Trevor73402]

Comparing shutting down the country, to save lives, due to a novel virus....to sugar and car crashes, is ludicrous at best..

I've tried to refrain from posting here, but Id like to know if you'd care to explain your logic here.......A death is a death is a death. If its from car wreck (avg 102 per day in 2017), cancer, flu, heart disease.....etc. Why is one any more important than the other? Those listed above have and will continue to kill far more people than the china virus and do so long after the virus is old news. Why does nobody care? Because the media isn't force feeding it to us 24/7 like they are with this virus. Thousands of people die daily in foreign countries from all types of sickness and disease and nobody gives a shit at all. Why? We all know the reason why and how you as an individual choose to spin it will say a lot about you.....which can already been seen for many continuously posting in this thread.

 

[Trevor73402]

You Doomers that keep ranting about a lockdown, what does that mean to you in your mind? How do you figure that will be enforced? By whom? Do you think you will be jailed or shot on site for being defiant? Some of you seem to wallow in this shit. Find something to do with your time that doesn't involve the internet or media.

 

[MattB]

Or it comes off as being an "American"........

It comes off as being 'Murican.

 

[spike camp]

I've tried to refrain from posting here, but Id like to know if you'd care to explain your logic here.......A death is a death is a death. If its from car wreck (avg 102 per day in 2017), cancer, flu, heart disease.....etc. Why is one any more important than the other? Those listed above have and will continue to kill far more people than the china virus and do so long after the virus is old news. Why does nobody care? Because the media isn't force feeding it to us 24/7 like they are with this virus. Thousands of people die daily in foreign countries from all types of sickness and disease and nobody gives a shit at all. Why? We all know the reason why and how you as an individual choose to spin it will say a lot about you.....which can already been seen for many continuously posting in this thread.

I don’t differentiate deaths....
Except for that obesity and bungee jumping(for example) are self-inflicted deaths.

I have no opinion on what the government is doing right now. I don’t even know what to think, really.

But I’m reading a lot of sick replies, that are basically saying f it, everyone’s gonna die anyway.
Why shut down the economy, for old or immune compromised people, if they’re just gonna die soon anyway.

I guess during a pandemic of this nature, I don’t agree with that, especially if you are the cause of someone else getting sick and potentially dying, or passing the disease to loved ones, because you can’t or won’t abide by a quarantine.

The whole thing is jacked, and not a lot of sense can be made of the situation right now, but I’ll do my part.

 

[*zap*]

Being concerned about something that has never happened before and what the results of something that has never happened before may be is prudent.

 

[jorgensen.travis]

You Doomers that keep ranting about a lockdown, what does that mean to you in your mind? How do you figure that will be enforced? By whom? Do you think you will be jailed or shot on site for being defiant? Some of you seem to wallow in this shit. Find something to do with your time that doesn't involve the internet or media.

If we get a worst case scenario, the lock down will be voluntary. Once we all know loved ones fighting for their live’s, we won’t need to be told by the government. The country will go full war machine, every US manufacturing plant will convert to production of hospital equipment, and all the survivors with immunity will be called upon to replace sick workers at the manufacturing plants and hospitals. I certainly don’t want this future, but I’m afraid this can be the reality of our country in a month from now. To think that a disease doesn’t hardly effect healthy people, but kills unhealthy people is wishful thinking. It may be that this virus is so bad, that it kicks your ass and puts you in bed feeling like you’re breathing through a thin straw for a week thinking you’re dying, but the healthy people pull through. I don’t want that for my loved one when health care is not readily available. If you contract the virus this week, you’ll be sick in 3 weeks. That may be a bad time for the health care system. I’m going to play it safe for a couple of weeks. I hope you can all laugh at me soon because I overreacted.


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