What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[SlickStickSlinger]

Currently essential businesses are allowed to remain open. That does not stop the spread. To stop the spread there is no essential business. There is no travel, including in your own town. There is complete and total lockdown of everything and everyone for the incubation period of the virus until there are 0 new cases.

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I totally agree and at work we talk about this considering we are "essential" making airplane parts for a company in Europe... go figure?
We are just waiting to get word someone in the building is infected.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

What country or universe are you talking about? Good lord!!!! Franklin's Great Depression didn't have great deaths. It was a terrible time, my parents and grandparents lived through it. The big numbers of people that died committed suicide after the stock market crash. It was so great that insurance companies changed their policies to exclude suicide.

Starvation wasn't the issue I was referring to. It was the conditions that created the problems. That quite frankly, modern Americans have shown an inability to deal with in anyway without looting, violence, etc...

 

[Billinsd]

There were people saying country wide shut down wasn't needed yet. I was and still am one of them. Being flexible is what makes common sense work.

People, myself included believe it's critical to use great caution regarding making decisions that impact businesses and the economy. I believe that's what others were thinking?

 

[MtnOyster]

Currently essential businesses are allowed to remain open. That does not stop the spread. To stop the spread there is no essential business. There is no travel, including in your own town. There is complete and total lockdown of everything and everyone for the incubation period of the virus until there are 0 new cases.

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I’m not disagreeing with you but I don’t think we are trying to stop the spread, I think were trying to slow it down so our health care can deal with it but I understand what your saying, to completely lock everything down would almost be impossible.....almost.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

The “Shut the whole country down crowd”was the state and federal government that you just said you don’t think there is one thing we should have done differently................

Really? I currently think 9 states are under shutdown. Federal government said this morning that meaningful commerce is open for business and, it plans on keeping it that way. It seems they understand the implications.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

I chatted with two different nurses in the past few days (wife's good friends). One is a nurse in Portland and the other a nurse in Seattle... We skyped the one in Seattle on Friday. Anyways at that time she said they had 12 serious cases. 10 were elderly patients, one was a fifty some year old, and the other a 25yr old. She wanted to be clear that the 25yr old wasnt in the best of shape to begin with. He was obese and had multiple underlying medical conditions. Just wanted to be clear about that.

Wife's other nurse friend stopped by today to grab all of the N95 masks I had (not many unfortunately). Came down just for 3 masks. I was able to find 2 more right as she got here, but still wasn't a ton. Anyways, she said they were setting up critical emergency tents and what not in case this gets bad. We asked if she had to work all week due to this and she said she actually wasn't scheduled again until this Thursday. Kind of odd? Then again Oregon doesnt have a ton of cv19 patients, but we are stuck between almost the two worst states. I really wanted to ask her more questions, but I am sure she is getting tired of that from friends and family.

Both did say people need to just stay home (if possible) and stop getting together in larger groups. And practice good hygiene!

You can take the above for what its worth, but I Just wanted to share my convos with people that are actually on the frontline.

I have a good friend who's an ICU nurse here in the Seattle area as well. Major hospital. They only have 2 dozen confirmed patients and she has the next week off. People think it's the apocalypse here and it's not at all. Most people that have a brain are staying home but life is pretty much normal other than that. Grocery stores are normal as well. Although its "unsafe" for hospital workers with the lack of PPE so far, Seattle hospitals seem fine otherwise. Interesting to hear about doom and gloom when you're living and working in the immediate area but you're not seeing or hearing anything to corroborate it. New York on the other hand, I would not want to be anywhere near there right now.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

People, myself included believe it's critical to use great caution regarding making decisions that impact businesses and the economy. I believe that's what others were thinking?

I agree.

 

[Billinsd]

Starvation wasn't the issue I was referring to. It was the conditions that created the problems. That quite frankly, modern Americans have shown an inability to deal with in anyway without looting, violence, etc...

Right, but I was quoting Strickland string that said 7 million died in depression. I wasn't referring to what you'd said. I pretty much agree with you 95% of the time.

 

[MtnOyster]

Who said anything about not taking precautions? On several media platforms today, there are people just like you that think anything but, throwing up our arms and screaming for nationwide lock down means you must be against protections. What is wrong with you?

This virus is going to kill people. It might kill me. I don't know. What I do know is people country wide are acting as if we are all in NY state. We aren't. We might be soon enough but, the way this republic works is you carry those that can't do for themselves. People in these highly affected areas need for the rest of us capable people to work and produce PPE's, food, necessity's, etc..... To keep commerce rolling. When it becomes our turn to take shelter, we need the same from them in return. Its how a team functions.

I've spent all dang day listening to people lecturing everyone on the dangers of this virus as if they are the only ones who knows. I've also spent 40 years reading and watching on TV when recession, depression, and the attitudes of those suffering through them, literally kill their neighbors over things we take for granted. Don't think for a second that can't happen here. When things get bad and people stop getting things they perceive as needed, they take it from others at any cost. Why are all those preaching for country wide shut down not seeing this? Have you been asleep over the last three weeks. When things weren't even bad and country wide there were already shortages. People fighting in stores over stuff not even needed to survive. Did you miss that?

As calm has taken more root, research is finding out that this is not the country wide threat YOU are making it into at this point. Yes, we must take the precautions put in place. They weren't flung in as a knee jerk reaction. They have been implemented to save as many in danger as possible. 99% of those that have died in ITALY had other major health issues. 99%. Yet Italy has been thrown out as the poster child by many as what to expect. This isn't Italy.

I don't know what you do for a living. But, I suspect you and a bunch of the country wide shut down specialist get paid salary. Two weeks won't break me or anyone else on this forum. But, if you keep spreading doom and gloom as the expectations to expect, I promise you are going to sink nearly every small business owner in this country. When does that lose become relevant to you? Have you give one seconds though what is going to happen to the health care system, farming, utility companies, this whole country if we hurt this economy this way?

Things are going to be ok health wise if we handle this with common sense. But, you have to realize that with the info we know about this virus, there are much worse thing going to happen to this country then COVID 19 if we kill our commerce. Maybe you need a course in social studies to review life during the great depression.

If you wanna know where I been on this thread for the last three weeks I’d suggest you go back to its start, you’ve got me wondering where you’ve been, you do realize everything we’re doing here is for human life right, it does suck for sure, but the “let’s wait and see“ mentality will let this thing spread faster and worsen...common sense, as far as Italy your right we’re not Italy we have a hell of a lot more unhealthy people living here than Italy does, think about that for a second, you condem shutting down business temporarily yet you agree with what government is doing, government is what has temporarily shut these businesses down..............by the way I’m not on salary......and our economy is gonna crash, theres nothing you or I can do about it, moving on.

 

[BFR]

Closing businesses or not, I don’t know what “best”. What I do know is for those choosing to stay at home thru this and come up needing medical items and not having access to those businesses it could be serious, whether thru bad planning or whatever doesn’t really matter. On another point, Governors shutting down rest areas in their states is about the stupidest thing I can imagine IMO. They want supplies delivered that have to come by truck and those drivers NEED them! Thank God private businesses and individuals are stepping up to help them.
I don’t have the answers to this situation but PANIC and IRRATIONAL behavior is not the answer.

 

[Bubblehide]

Statistics show 15%to 75% of statistics are inaccurate.

That is an oxymoron

 

[MattB]

Just saw this. Everyone should watch this.

Fascinating. I am only 6 minutes in, and the individual Rogan is interviewing is an infectious disease specialist:

1. He made the comment folks who are comparing this to the common flu are ignoring that we are only in the infancy of this domestically. Italy was fine a few weeks ago and overwhelmed today. He suggested we should think of this disease as though we were in the pre-antibiotic days.
2. He believes this will last 3-7 months and that perhaps we may see as many as 48M hospitalizations and 480K deaths.
3. He cited an e-mail from a medical facility in Milan, Italy. They have started to decide who they let die. They have stopped testing the medical staff in hospitals who are treating COVID-19. If they are healthy enough to work, they work regardless of whether they are infected.
4. He said this is not a disease of old people, but in China is was predominantly the old. The old who smoke died at an 8-10% rate.
5. He also made the comment that the US has a risk factor in obesity that thus far has proven to be similar to smoking. 45% of the US over the age of 45 is obese.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

If you wanna know where I been on this thread for the last three weeks I’d suggest you go back to its start, you’ve got me wondering where you’ve been, you do realize everything we’re doing here is for human life right, it does suck for sure, but the “let’s wait and see“ mentality will let this thing spread faster and worsen...common sense, as far as Italy your right we’re not Italy we have a hell of a lot more unhealthy people living here than Italy does, think about that for a second, you condem shutting down business temporarily yet you agree with what government is doing, government is what has temporarily shut these businesses down..............by the way I’m not on salary......and our economy is gonna crash, theres nothing you or I can do about it, moving on.

I don't know how to make things any more clear then I have. I suspect you simply want to be told you are so smart, caring, etc... it’s the only way you’d still be stuck where you are.

 

[ramsdude47]

2 cents from an RN here. We still have NO clue how this is going to play out. Anybody who thinks they do is full of shit. It is interesting, but not surprising, to see so many "know it all" takes from people that probably know very little about the daily in's and out's of hospitals in the US.

Here is my anecdote: One of the confirmed patients in my hospital was on our floor a week ago. He came in for Rib FX's, did not have symptoms, and accordingly was NOT on precautions. Fast forward to a few days ago, he spikes a fever. Begins showing respiratory symptoms. Fast forward to today and he has moved to the isolation unit and is confirmed COVID19. Guess how many employees and visitors went into his room without PPE? Guess how many other similar situations have occurred across the country. I'm no Nostradamus, but the odds are pretty good this is just the calm before the storm.

 

[Dos Perros]

So let me get this straight: absent data, you are unable to form an opinion on whether kids going to school have more personal contact than kids not going to school? But you presumably have enough data to have concluded that the ONLY thing the policy shift leads to is the vulnerable having more direct contact?

I never said keeping kids from school wouldn't decrease their contacts. What I said was: now that the kids can't go to school, they are going to interact with different people more, in my experience here, their grandparents. Parents going to work, kids going to their grandparents. So now due to this policy you've increased the exposure and risk associated to the most vulnerable part of the population. Absent the policy, the grandparents could just hole up and ride it out.

Is this really that difficult to understand? Are you purposely being obtuse for my entertainment or yours?

 

[Lou Sid]

Fascinating. I am only 6 minutes in, and the individual Rogan is interviewing is an infectious disease specialist:

It's hard to know what to think becau you have Trump on the one side and CNN MSNBC folks on the other side and nobody tells the truth. Remember all that talk about this being spread by droplets. Wrong. Its spread by breathing, through air.

I'll admit I was much less concerned a week ago, and after watching this I'm more concerned. Osterholm is as credible and smart as they come. I like getting my info from sources like this.

 

[ODB]

I have a good friend who's an ICU nurse here in the Seattle area as well. Major hospital. They only have 2 dozen confirmed patients and she has the next week off. People think it's the apocalypse here and it's not at all. Most people that have a brain are staying home but life is pretty much normal other than that. Grocery stores are normal as well. Although its "unsafe" for hospital workers with the lack of PPE so far, Seattle hospitals seem fine otherwise. Interesting to hear about doom and gloom when you're living and working in the immediate area but you're not seeing or hearing anything to corroborate it. New York on the other hand, I would not want to be anywhere near there right now.

I also have good friends at most major hospitals in Seattle. If your friend is in ICU, I bet he/she knows my friend.
Am hearing about the same thing. It’s very interesting to compare info straight from the horses mouth versus after its been digested and passed out the other end...

 

[KSP277]

That is an oxymoron

Nope it’s science. And u can’t argue with science.

 

[eamyrick]

Positive: Since I’m in a work group likely to get exposed in the next few weeks/month I have gotten off my ass and dropped 5lbs this week and cleaned up my diet. Also making sure to get good sleep and stay on top of my allergies. (I’m normally healthy but a month rotation to 4-2a always kicks my ass).

I have a 3 and 6 year old who are at home now so today is day 1 of home school. Below is a drawing my 6 year old did for Social Studies (the school put out out awesome week by week at home lesson plan). The drawing hit me deep and at the end of this I think we will be better as a whole. The need category is Pooh Bear, Milk, Momma, and Bed. The want category is Transformers, Ice Cream, 1st grade, and fishing.

 

[11boo]

Great input from some on the front lines of this.

the stated case numbers Have to be a fraction of the true case numbers, but I wonder what they really are.

I’m not looking forward to it , but I will be making a supply run tomorrow.
Like hunting, I will be in the field at first light.