What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[aggieland]

Attacking the President is stupid..
These mask we have are not doing a damn thing and are junk.
Blaming anyone for not having enough supplies is also dumb because all this shit comes from china and everything was shut down. Our suppliers could not get anymore product from china.
Also complaining not having enough ventilators is dumb when has a hospital ever needed this many? And those numbers posted above show they very few people have it, so how many of those actually need ventilators?

If the state of Florida has 659 cases I'm sure they have way more ventilators than that..
Guess we will see what happens but so far I am not seeing anything.

Woman on Fox news upset we did not "ramp up production" on mask etc.. once again supplies are not available because they all come from CHINA!!

 

[aggieland]

First timeninhave watched the news.. all I am hearing is the medical community was not prepared and we need to make changes..

My gut says the Governments next move will be universal healthcare. Hope I am wrong.

 

[Okhotnik]

And then China and North Korea will kick off World War 3. Nothing for China to lose at that point if the majority of manufacturers pull out of there and return home. They either completely collapse or try to do something about it.

There's ten millions of Chinese people, who through manufacturing jobs , have greatly improved their standard of living. Be a lot of pissed off unemployed idle Chinese if the jobs leave. Possibly sitting on a time bomb especially after what just happened in Hong Kong.

 

[Okhotnik]

Attacking the President is stupid..
These mask we have are not doing a damn thing and are junk.
Blaming anyone for not having enough supplies is also dumb because all this shit comes from china and everything was shut down. Our suppliers could not get anymore product from china.
Also complaining not having enough ventilators is dumb when has a hospital ever needed this many? And those numbers posted above show they very few people have it, so how many of those actually need ventilators?

If the state of Florida has 659 cases I'm sure they have way more ventilators than that..
Guess we will see what happens but so far I am not seeing anything.

Woman on Fox news upset we did not "ramp up production" on mask etc.. once again supplies are not available because they all come from CHINA!!

Like Trump said at his briefing yesterday he inherited an antiquated broken down medical response system from the previous administration. Congress has spent all of its time and resources on the Russia hoax the past 3 years and so has Trump.

 

[orionthehunter1]

That was simply the point at which he woke up and listened to his advisers. Closing the border wasnt his idea. This had been going on for weeks.

Unfortunatley, all you've done is prove my point.

The worst case projection for H1N1, was better then the best case projection for CV19. Alot of other countries were well ahead of Trump. They had the same data on H1N1 and CV19.

Our local hospital had ordered 50 new Respirators, massive amounts of additional protective gear and additional supplies by late January. They ordered as much Chloroquine as they could get their hands on 2 weeks ago. All while Trump was stamping his foot and trying to Twitter this into Fake News.

I bet less people die from CV19 then H1N1, especially in the US. Look at the H1N1 death toll in the US alone

 

[aggieland]

I wouldn't matter to me who the president was there is simply no way to be fully prepared for what could happen. I say could happen because in my mind "it" has not happened yet. We don't currently need millions of ventilators, etc. On a side note I have owned a few of the fully sealed face mask with face shield etc and with the right filter it would probably stop a virus. I always bought the dust particle filters anyway, if I showed up to work at the ER wearing one i bet $100 they would tell me no way in Hell you are wearing that in front if the pts lol.

 

[orionthehunter1]

How deep will the damage be?
Over 800 more fatalities in Italy in the past 24 hours. Is the virus mutating? Why the younger people? Why more men than women? Yes, the Italians smoke more than we do, but typically (except for the UK) most Europeans are heavy smokers.

JP Morgan said on Wednesday, March 18th: “...we are slashing our forecast for real annualized GDP growth in Q1 to -4.0%, followed by an even weaker -14.0% in Q2… growth partly recovering to 8.0% in Q3 followed by 4.0% growth in Q4."

When the dust settles, citizens should also ask themselves: how will consumers behavior change—it will change—and who will benefit? Will consumers be strong enough to resume life from where they were before the crisis? And, how long will it take to repair the damage, or find a new normal?
The most important thing we can do in this situation is to preserve capital. You need to live—so you can fight another day.

(“Political Rant”-The US is led by a man who has not got a clue and has denied the existence of a dangerous epidemic since informed about it in early January. If he does not step aside, soon, and quite wasting our time with his “poverty of linguistics”, and let Dr. Fauci/Dr. Groirer/Dr. BIrx et al answer the press conference questions, the situation in the US will get out of control totally. Fine if that is what Americans want but just watch China become the leading economy in the World as quick as Covid-19 infects people.)

America for several years has become a fundamentally unserious country. This is the luxury afforded us by peace, affluence and high levels of consumer technology. We didn’t have to think about the things that once focused our minds—nuclear war, oil shortages, high unemployment, skyrocketing interest rates. Terrorism has receded back to being a kind of notional threat for which we dispatch volunteers in our military to the far corners of the desert as the advance guard of the homeland. We even elevated a reality TV star to the presidency as a populist attack on the bureaucracy and expertise that makes most of the government function on a day to day basis.

The COVID-19 crisis could change this in two ways. First, it has already forced people back to accepting that expertise matters. It was easy to sneer at experts until a pandemic arrived, and then people wanted to hear from medical professionals like Anthony Fauci. Second, it may—one might hope—return Americans to a new seriousness, or at least move them back toward the idea that government is a matter for serious people. The colossal failure of the Trump administration both to keep Americans healthy and to slow the pandemic-driven implosion of the economy might shock the public enough back to insisting on something from government other than emotional satisfaction.

The coronavirus pandemic, one hopes, will jolt Americans into a realization that the institutions and values Donald Trump has spent his presidency assailing are essential to the functioning of a democracy—and to its ability to grapple effectively with a national crisis. A recognition that government institutions—including those entrusted with protecting our health, preserving our liberties and overseeing our national security—need to be staffed with experts (not political loyalists), that decisions need to be made through a reasoned policy process and predicated on evidence-based science and historical and geopolitical knowledge (not on Trump-ian “alternative facts,” political expediency or what Thomas Pynchon called, in Gravity’s Rainbow, “a chaos of peeves, whims, hallucinations and all-round assholery”). Instead of Trump’s “America First” foreign policy, we need to return to multilateral diplomacy, and to the understanding that co-operation with allies—and adversaries, too—is especially necessary when it comes to dealing with global problems like climate change and viral pandemics.

End of so-called Political Rant (for some) and Useful Information (for some). Let’s see how this looks a year from now. I am an optimist and realist. This is not a “rant” but a call to look seriously at a “Game Changer” as to how we function as a society going forward. Time to get back to work.
Best,
DWD

PS-Read the CDC guidelines before you start commenting about the use of masks, the type of masks, how to clean the masks, when to wear the masks...I grant that we all have differences of opinion, but when it comes to the actual FACTS about masks, Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), and sanitizers/hand washing/social distancing...read the CDC and/or your own State Board of Health/Board of Medical Licensure guidelines. This is a very fluid situation and the mitigation maneuvers/guidelines are updated on at least a daily basis. I didn't start this thread, and I have my own opinions. I also use and know many of the guidelines as to how to screen/evaluate/triage/treat COVID-19.

You know why Italians are dying at a higher rate and younger ones? It's smoking 80% of that country smokes and 90+% are exposed to second hand smoke daily. Heck I joked that my wife and I lost two years of our lives from secondhand smoke while we were there last summer. Its disgusting and I bet many of them have super weakened respiratory systems because of it.

 

[Diddywahdiddy]

Obviously too many members with no knowledge of medicine, no knowledge of how the ER triages and how the ER protects its staff. Quit commenting on the masks so as not to confirm your total lack of CDC protocol. You're only showing your own ignorance. My God.
Mr. Trump has spent a lifetime in crisis. Fending off creditors, grappling with bankruptcy, evading tax collectors, defrauding his investors, dueling with estranged wives and porn stars.
His performance on the National Stage in recent weeks has put on display the traits the Democrats and increasing #'s of Republicans find so shocking. WAKE UP TRUMP supporters! HIs profound need for personal praise, the propensity to blame others, the lack of human empathy, the disregard for science and expertise, the distortion of facts, his inability to tolerate scrutiny or criticism. He continues to make statements that conflict with his own Public Health experts. A few weeks ago he was minimizing the threat "it's like the flu", congratulating himself now for how he has perceived himself managing the crisis that he has only recently acknowledged...
At least I find more intelligent comments when the topics stay with sheep hunting, training, and backcountry gear. Amazing lack of knowledge.
DWD

 

[jmez]

Anyone know the % of patients that are recovering that need to be put on a ventilator? What I've seen from China is that it has been ineffective?

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[aggieland]

Obviously too many members with no knowledge of medicine, no knowledge of how the ER triages and how the ER protects its staff. Quit commenting on the masks so as not to confirm your total lack of CDC protocol. You're only showing your own ignorance. My God.
Mr. Trump has spent a lifetime in crisis. Fending off creditors, grappling with bankruptcy, evading tax collectors, defrauding his investors, dueling with estranged wives and porn stars.
His performance on the National Stage in recent weeks has put on display the traits the Democrats and increasing #'s of Republicans find so shocking. WAKE UP TRUMP supporters! HIs profound need for personal praise, the propensity to blame others, the lack of human empathy, the disregard for science and expertise, the distortion of facts, his inability to tolerate scrutiny or criticism. He continues to make statements that conflict with his own Public Health experts. A few weeks ago he was minimizing the threat "it's like the flu", congratulating himself now for how he has perceived himself managing the crisis that he has only recently acknowledged...
At least I find more intelligent comments when the topics stay with sheep hunting, training, and backcountry gear. Amazing lack of knowledge.
DWD

I have spent the last 12 yrs working in the medical field and 15 yrs in the Poultry industry . I can assure you have have seen 10x the biosecurity on poultry farms in the South during an Avian Influenza or Laryngotracheitis outbreak than what is being used at the ERs in the area. One of these mask to be worn over and over is supposed to work? I could go into more details but hey you're the Dr, what could I possibly know.

 

[Okhotnik]

Obviously too many members with no knowledge of medicine, no knowledge of how the ER triages and how the ER protects its staff. Quit commenting on the masks so as not to confirm your total lack of CDC protocol. You're only showing your own ignorance. My God.
Mr. Trump has spent a lifetime in crisis. Fending off creditors, grappling with bankruptcy, evading tax collectors, defrauding his investors, dueling with estranged wives and porn stars.
His performance on the National Stage in recent weeks has put on display the traits the Democrats and increasing #'s of Republicans find so shocking. WAKE UP TRUMP supporters! HIs profound need for personal praise, the propensity to blame others, the lack of human empathy, the disregard for science and expertise, the distortion of facts, his inability to tolerate scrutiny or criticism. He continues to make statements that conflict with his own Public Health experts. A few weeks ago he was minimizing the threat "it's like the flu", congratulating himself now for how he has perceived himself managing the crisis that he has only recently acknowledged...
At least I find more intelligent comments when the topics stay with sheep hunting, training, and backcountry gear. Amazing lack of knowledge.
DWD

What medical school di you graduate and how many years did you practice infectious medicine? I thought you were an expert in economics based on your other posts. I just spoke to my sister who is a Dr and has a Phd in biochem and teaches grad students at MIT for the mask question because I was asking whether to get a mask for our mother. She's probably not an expert like you on medical science issues but probably knows more about sheep hunts. lol

 

[BuckSnort]

How deep will the damage be?
Over 800 more fatalities in Italy in the past 24 hours. Is the virus mutating? Why the younger people? Why more men than women? Yes, the Italians smoke more than we do, but typically (except for the UK) most Europeans are heavy smokers.

JP Morgan said on Wednesday, March 18th: “...we are slashing our forecast for real annualized GDP growth in Q1 to -4.0%, followed by an even weaker -14.0% in Q2… growth partly recovering to 8.0% in Q3 followed by 4.0% growth in Q4."

When the dust settles, citizens should also ask themselves: how will consumers behavior change—it will change—and who will benefit? Will consumers be strong enough to resume life from where they were before the crisis? And, how long will it take to repair the damage, or find a new normal?
The most important thing we can do in this situation is to preserve capital. You need to live—so you can fight another day.

(“Political Rant”-The US is led by a man who has not got a clue and has denied the existence of a dangerous epidemic since informed about it in early January. If he does not step aside, soon, and quite wasting our time with his “poverty of linguistics”, and let Dr. Fauci/Dr. Groirer/Dr. BIrx et al answer the press conference questions, the situation in the US will get out of control totally. Fine if that is what Americans want but just watch China become the leading economy in the World as quick as Covid-19 infects people.)

America for several years has become a fundamentally unserious country. This is the luxury afforded us by peace, affluence and high levels of consumer technology. We didn’t have to think about the things that once focused our minds—nuclear war, oil shortages, high unemployment, skyrocketing interest rates. Terrorism has receded back to being a kind of notional threat for which we dispatch volunteers in our military to the far corners of the desert as the advance guard of the homeland. We even elevated a reality TV star to the presidency as a populist attack on the bureaucracy and expertise that makes most of the government function on a day to day basis.

The COVID-19 crisis could change this in two ways. First, it has already forced people back to accepting that expertise matters. It was easy to sneer at experts until a pandemic arrived, and then people wanted to hear from medical professionals like Anthony Fauci. Second, it may—one might hope—return Americans to a new seriousness, or at least move them back toward the idea that government is a matter for serious people. The colossal failure of the Trump administration both to keep Americans healthy and to slow the pandemic-driven implosion of the economy might shock the public enough back to insisting on something from government other than emotional satisfaction.

The coronavirus pandemic, one hopes, will jolt Americans into a realization that the institutions and values Donald Trump has spent his presidency assailing are essential to the functioning of a democracy—and to its ability to grapple effectively with a national crisis. A recognition that government institutions—including those entrusted with protecting our health, preserving our liberties and overseeing our national security—need to be staffed with experts (not political loyalists), that decisions need to be made through a reasoned policy process and predicated on evidence-based science and historical and geopolitical knowledge (not on Trump-ian “alternative facts,” political expediency or what Thomas Pynchon called, in Gravity’s Rainbow, “a chaos of peeves, whims, hallucinations and all-round assholery”). Instead of Trump’s “America First” foreign policy, we need to return to multilateral diplomacy, and to the understanding that co-operation with allies—and adversaries, too—is especially necessary when it comes to dealing with global problems like climate change and viral pandemics.

End of so-called Political Rant (for some) and Useful Information (for some). Let’s see how this looks a year from now. I am an optimist and realist. This is not a “rant” but a call to look seriously at a “Game Changer” as to how we function as a society going forward. Time to get back to work.
Best,
DWD

PS-Read the CDC guidelines before you start commenting about the use of masks, the type of masks, how to clean the masks, when to wear the masks...I grant that we all have differences of opinion, but when it comes to the actual FACTS about masks, Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), and sanitizers/hand washing/social distancing...read the CDC and/or your own State Board of Health/Board of Medical Licensure guidelines. This is a very fluid situation and the mitigation maneuvers/guidelines are updated on at least a daily basis. I didn't start this thread, and I have my own opinions. I also use and know many of the guidelines as to how to screen/evaluate/triage/treat COVID-19.

Yawn... We get it you don't like Trump, no need to waste so much bandwidth telling us about it...

 

[Okhotnik]

Yawn... We get it you don't like Trump, no need to waste so much bandwidth telling us about it...

he definitely has a bad case of TDS. I hope mentally unstable people don't own firearms. That scares me,.

 

[Rmauch20]

Kansas City and surrounding county’s issue stay at home order effective for 30 days. Ouch, that’s going to hurt some folks.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article241400106.html

 

[EastMT]

Obviously too many members with no knowledge of medicine, no knowledge of how the ER triages and how the ER protects its staff. Quit commenting on the masks so as not to confirm your total lack of CDC protocol. You're only showing your own ignorance. My God.
Mr. Trump has spent a lifetime in crisis. Fending off creditors, grappling with bankruptcy, evading tax collectors, defrauding his investors, dueling with estranged wives and porn stars.
His performance on the National Stage in recent weeks has put on display the traits the Democrats and increasing #'s of Republicans find so shocking. WAKE UP TRUMP supporters! HIs profound need for personal praise, the propensity to blame others, the lack of human empathy, the disregard for science and expertise, the distortion of facts, his inability to tolerate scrutiny or criticism. He continues to make statements that conflict with his own Public Health experts. A few weeks ago he was minimizing the threat "it's like the flu", congratulating himself now for how he has perceived himself managing the crisis that he has only recently acknowledged...
At least I find more intelligent comments when the topics stay with sheep hunting, training, and backcountry gear. Amazing lack of knowledge.
DWD

First of all, politics isn’t the subject nor attacking Trump supporters. Or Hillary supporters. Or any politics at all.

2nd name calling, calling people ignorant is uncalled for and not allowed. Go to FB if you want yell at Trump, Obama, or Clinton for that matter.

#make_America_civil_again

 

[Diddywahdiddy]

Obviously I'm wasting your bandwidth. Now that's funny. BTW, TX Med Center, Baylor College of Medicine, MD/residency/fellowship, on staff 10 years and 20 years and counting in private practice, not up in some Ivory Tower pontificating. Working 60-plus hours a week. The picture guy, read the CDC guidelines yourself and get educated. "Yawn"...you obviously don't understand accumulation of data to make an fact-based conclusion...Yawn back at ya buddy. I'm so sorry to be wasting your precious Praise Trump time and bandwidth. The "name calling" and "calling people ignorant (TDS-too funny)" goes both ways.
Bless my soul!

 

[Rmauch20]

Why does everyone like to brag about how much time they spend at work?

 

[Axlrod]

Anyone know the % of patients that are recovering that need to be put on a ventilator? What I've seen from China is that it has been ineffective?

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They don't put people on a ventilator that are "recovering". If you need a ventilator and dont get one you won't ever need one again. When were you in China?

 

[EastMT]

Thanks for the resume but I’m not currently hiring.

I haven’t seen a politician worth voting for in a long time.

It’s too bad in all that training they didn’t have a manners class. Or how to communicate without shutting off the ears of those you are trying to convince. Unless you aren’t trying to convince but just strut around and spout your resume.

 

[EastMT]

Why does everyone like to brag about how much time they spend at work?

Lololol 60 hrs, I remember when I was on vacation too lololol. 60 is a good starter