What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

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Has our health care system become overloaded yet?

 

[HuntHarder]

NM, believe what you will.

 

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TIRANA (Reuters) - Albania’s government deployed the army to enforce a strict 40-hour curfew starting on Saturday to fight the coronavirus after people widely flouted previous measures aimed at stemming its spread.

About 120,000 Albanians came back from Italy - the world’s worst-hit country - soon before Albania severed air and sea links with its neighbor across the Adriatic Sea 12 days ago.

So far, 76 people have tested positive for the coronavirus with two deaths recorded, but officials are anxious to avert a sudden jump in infections that would strain limited public health services.

Despite orders to stay at home for most of the day and bans on travel, many Albanians have continued to go out jogging in groups, play dominos in the street and ignore recommendations to keep their distance in queues.

Prime Minister Edi Rama and opposition leader Lulzim Basha, in a rare show of unity, appealed to people to respect the 40-hour lockdown starting at 1 p.m. (1200 GMT) on Saturday.

“Everyone will stay inside after 13:00. Police and the Armed Forces will use force against whoever breaks the law, including pensioners, and will use water canons and tear gas if need be,” Rama said on a social media live feed.

Just a fwiw.......Albania is a parliamentary constitutional republic and sovereign state whose politics operate under a framework laid out in the constitution wherein the president functions as the head of state and the prime minister as the head of government. The sovereignty is vested in the Albanian people and exercised by the Albanian people through their representatives or directly.

 

[Mack96x]

Working for a oil refinery even if Washington does go into lock down I will still be working so that being said traffic going to work will be nice.

 

[KSP277]

What I home we see outta this is how dangerous foreign dependence is. Be nice to see a lot of manufacturing come back to the states after this.

 

[jmez]

Everyone's death rate is significantly lower than Italy's. You don't use an obvious outlier to make your predictions.

Washington and New Yorks health systems are overloaded. They aren't near where Italy is.

None of the death rates and % are anywhere near accurate. They are grossly inflated based on the way testing is being done.

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[Dos Perros]

Has our health care system become overloaded yet?

Is this question requesting a binary response? I would guess it’s more complicated than “yes” or “no.” Seeing as how we are 50 states spread out across 4 million square miles, urban rural rich poor and everything in between.

 

[Jauwater]

By Trade, I'm a Plumber. I've been doing my best to prioritize my calls for emergencies only. This last week I helped out two families that had ejectors pump failures. Both homes, the whole house was on the ejector pump. These people couldn't use the toilet, not a sink, couldn't even shower. In times like this, that is a big deal. 5+ member families. You absolutely can't let these types on issues go on for weeks at a time, especially during these times. They say the greatest medical achievement in the last 100+ years is Sanitation, and you can't get to the level of Sanitation that we live at without modern plumbing. Plumbing helps keep the diseases away. I'm not saying every plumbing call I get is an emergency, and I do my best to explain to homeowners what they can do with small plumbing issues for now till it's safe for everybody to have traffic through their homes. Very little of becoming a licensed plumber is about how to put it in, it's more about public health and sanitation. Electricians, and HVAC people play a role in sanitation. I believe it could be a huge mistake to shut down tradesmen during times like this.

I wanna state that I do believe we need to stay as distant as possible, but we need trademen out there to handle the mechanical issues that's guaranteed to happen.

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Is this question requesting a binary response? I would guess it’s more complicated than “yes” or “no.” Seeing as how we are 50 states spread out across 4 million square miles, urban rural rich poor and everything in between.

Pretty simple question, actually. JMO.

 

[the hack]

Basic scientist (molecular biologist) at heart and physician by occupation. This is a complex public health, social and economic emergency that requires faith in our neighbors, government (gasp!) and religious institutions. There is nothing I want to be more wrong about than COVID19. I'd love to get some PMs in six months saying I was an alarmist and a quack. Godspeed!

 

[5 shot group]

Our grocery store has been hit or miss on meats, I’ve been avoiding it anyway. But I did want to put some more meat in the freezer, my local butcher shop was flush with beef and pork, and didn’t care how much I bought. good alternative to the grocery.

I hate to put this out there, but come the 1st when all the welfare checks start hitting, the stores are going to get a lot more bare.

I'm not knocking people for needing help, I'm just saying there is going to be a second rush on food here in about 10 days. Hopefully there will be some stuff for them to buy.

 

[5 shot group]

Hard times create hard men

Hard men create good times

Good times create soft men

Soft men create hard times


We argue over what bathroom somebody should use, how everyone is special, how everyone gets a trophy (sorry kid, you just plain old lost), hell we are even arguing over there being more then 2 genders.

We as a whole have become soft

 

[Rmauch20]

Even during a state wide or nationwide lock down the number of people that are out and about to do them being called “essential” is still a large amount. If any number of those essential employees are infected with a virus what do we really gain by locking everyone else down?
If we would lock down for two weeks what do we gain? One of the articles I read this week said that people were still showing they were infected up to 30 days after it was originally detected. So in two weeks everyone comes out of the bunker and infection starts all over again and that is the best case scenario otherwise any number of the essential employees could’ve been spreading it along whole time as well.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Even during a state wide or nationwide lock down the number of people that are out and about to do them being called “essential” is still a large amount. If any number of those essential employees are infected with a virus what do we really gain by locking everyone else down?
If we would lock down for two weeks what do we gain? One of the articles I read this week said that people were still showing they were infected up to 30 days after it was originally detected. So in two weeks everyone comes out of the bunker and infection starts all over again and that is the best case scenario otherwise any number of the essential employees could’ve been spreading it along whole time as well.

that’s exactly right, if we flatten the curve and do mandatory shit downs etc., the curve at the top actually looks more like a saw blade than a curve. We just hope the small spikes are small enough that the current medical systems can take care of those smaller spikes. But the problem is there are multiple shit downs in that time frame.

shut down, cases fall, open up, cases rise, shit down, cases drop....repeat, repeat, repeat until we get a vaccine, treatment or herd immunity

 

[tdot]

Even during a state wide or nationwide lock down the number of people that are out and about to do them being called “essential” is still a large amount. If any number of those essential employees are infected with a virus what do we really gain by locking everyone else down?
If we would lock down for two weeks what do we gain? One of the articles I read this week said that people were still showing they were infected up to 30 days after it was originally detected. So in two weeks everyone comes out of the bunker and infection starts all over again and that is the best case scenario otherwise any number of the essential employees could’ve been spreading it along whole time as well.

I personally think a 2 week lock down is a dream. It's something we are telling ourselves to help ease our minds. My guess is that 4 weeks would be minimum, 8 weeks probable and 12+ weeks not unimaginable.

No other country has done less. Most other countries started sooner.

If we can limit the number of people running around, that does limit the spread, it limits the number of tests required. It decreases the burden on virtually every system.

 

[tdot]

What I home we see outta this is how dangerous foreign dependence is. Be nice to see a lot of manufacturing come back to the states after this.

100% agree, but that will take a monumental shift from both the consumer and the government to drive the corporate world in that direction.

 

[tdot]

that’s exactly right, if we flatten the curve and do mandatory shit downs etc., the curve at the top actually looks more like a saw blade than a curve. We just hope the small spikes are small enough that the current medical systems can take care of those smaller spikes. But the problem is there are multiple shit downs in that time frame.

shut down, cases fall, open up, cases rise, shit down, cases drop....repeat, repeat, repeat until we get a vaccine, treatment or herd immunity

Well that explains the need for Toilet Paper.

 

[Rmauch20]

I agree with flattening the curve in theory. I will also agree that two weeks is probably not going to be an affective lockdown time.
I hope I don’t come off like a totally coldhearted dickhead. There’s a large portion of our population that can’t go two weeks without a paycheck. Whether that is a self-induced problem or not, it doesn’t matter. Let alone 4,6,8, or even 12weeks with no money coming in or a fraction of what they had. Once things return to normal the banks are going to want that money. We would all like to think that everyone is going out of the way to forgive missed mortgage payments, utility payments, vehicle payments, business loan payments, but what happens in three months from now? A 1200 government isn’t going real far in most places.
I think we have to look at the economic impacts of locking down states. The impacts of these decisions could be far worse than anything COVID-19 could do.

If you say that’s not your problem those people should’ve been more financially responsible then don’t get pissed off when those people say it’s not my problem. I need to work. I need to make money. I need to keep a roof over my families head and food on the table.

 

[String&stick]

I'm really curious how China is having next to no spread. . . Even in our estimates and projections we show numbers starting to climb up quickly. . . Disinformation? They shot everyone? They are just that good? Or they have something we don't and are watching the world burn bidding their time?

It's insane how few new cases they are having!

Meanwhile Italy is burning!

 

[Trial153]

I'm really curious how China is having next to no spread. . . Even in our estimates and projections we show numbers starting to climb up quickly. . . Disinformation? They shot everyone? They are just that good? Or they have something we don't and are watching the world burn bidding their time?

It's insane how few new cases they are having!

Meanwhile Italy is burning!

Because they are full of shit.