What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[jmez]

True, but you also have to figure in that over 60% of the US doesn't get the vaccine. The flu has been around forever, it isn't new and scary so people don't fear the virus. People can't be bothered.

The other caveat with the flu. Much ado is being made about high risk individuals and Covid. A very valid concern. This is also a very valid concern with influenza. These high risk individuals are also high risk with influenza. Influenza has a higher death rate in those with pre existing respiratory compromise. These people should be worried and taking protective measures Covid or not.

 

[ODB]

True, but you also have to figure in that over 60% of the US doesn't get the vaccine. The flu has been around forever, it isn't new and scary so people don't fear the virus. People can't be bothered.

The other caveat with the flu. Much ado is being made about high risk individuals and Covid. A very valid concern. This is also a very valid concern with influenza. These high risk individuals are also high risk with influenza. Influenza has a higher death rate in those with pre existing respiratory compromise. These people should be worried and taking protective measures Covid or not.

Yes, but...40% do...

Let’s do this...the problem with CV-19 seems to be that it results in pneumonia. To the point that health systems are recommending pneumonia shots for “at risk” pts. Why not increase widespread pneumonia shots to help offset this? It’s not a silver bullet, but shit, we know that works to a degree.

the idea of going from one pandemic into a depression should be enough to get us off of center.

 

[jmez]

You also have "herd immunity" to a degree with influenza but not Covid. Every day in the new outbreak your "herd immunity" will increase. This also leads to a decrease in both morbidity and mortality.

 

[tdot]

Just sat in on a 2 hour video conference call with an Italian Doctor and a local Doc who flew over there as he's the local region's Pandemic and Disaster specialist. Lots of new information is being learned over there and will be integrated into the local system. It's fascinating, imo, how they are integrating new policies and procedures at such a rapid rate.

Mostly good news on the treatment front, mistakes were made and are being learned from. Hopefully we wont have to make the same mistakes.

They also spoke alot about the social aspect of what is happening. Two interesting takeaways, and this of course is just anecdotal, but apparently papers are being written about it, among many other findings. (The volume of shared knowledge from this outbreak is unprecedented)

In Italy, grand parents are a major form of child care, so as soon as the lock down happened, the kids got shipped off to Grandparents. They suspect that may have increased the spread into the elderly population. It's still being researched.

The second was their opinion on why younger males (40-50) were being hit harder then seen elsewhere. Apparently many of them are over training at home or going on strenuous bike rides to work off stress. This is leading to heart problems and worse outcomes for those that didn't even know they had CV19. They are now recommending to people to dial down their exertion level to their normal levels. Research on this also continues.

They sounded exhausted, but they were very happy that others will learn from them. They also were very upbeat about the processes they have in place now and feel like they are making progress.

All in, it was positive.

 

[conley417]

I am going to throw my bicycle away

 

[MattB]

RO for covid 2-2.5 this is dropping
RO H1N1 1.2-1.6

Covid, 4597 cases, 86 deaths, 4,437 currently infected, 4,425 (100%) mild condition, 12 (0%) critical
H1N1, 60.8 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, 12,469 deaths

Worldwide numbers
Covid 182,274 cases, 7140 deaths, 96,794 currently infected, 90,631 (94%) mild infections, 6,136 (6%) critical

The Covid numbers are fluid, they don't know the extent yet. As testing becomes more widespread, Case numbers are going to go up and fatality rate is going to go down. They don't yet know the communicability and death rate from Corona. So far the Covid numbers on a worldwide basis aren't even close to just what the US had with H1N1 in 2009.

So no real basis for the comment other that more people got sick and died during the totality of the H1N1 outbreak than have so far in the infancy of COVID-19 outbreak? Even though the communicability and death rate of COVID-19 has massively outpaced H1N1? That seems massively short-sighted.

 

[Rmauch20]

I am going to throw my bicycle away

That’s probably the best bet. That exercise thing is totally overrated.

 

[jmcd22]

Colorado sheriff asks criminals to halt law-breaking during coronavirus crisis

A Colorado sheriff’s office has responded to the coronavirus outbreak with a tongue-in-cheek Facebook post asking criminals to stop their “unlawful antics” until further notice, according to a report.

www.foxnews.com

. Wow....just wow.

 

[aggieland]

I still feel like something else is going on besides this outbreak. It's just way to much happening, but who knows.

 

[Swamppirate]

This sums it up...

 

[WannabeHunter]

I have access to UpToDate, which is a medical reference used nationwide and is well respected. They have great information on COVID-19 and it seems to be updated every 12-24 hrs. I've attached the PDF of their most recent article.

I don't think we would be hearing this type of concern out of the white house if they weren't predicting bad outcomes.

There are concerning things we are learning about longer term medical issues after COVID-19 survival. There are reports that patients that are fully recovered from active infection, still suffer from 20-30% lung function reduction.
There seems to be an issue that patient's are not responding to medical ventilation in the same way as normal.
The WHO is constantly revising protocols and guidance for healthcare workers, because this is such a strange acting virus.


"We like to talk on things we don't know about"

 

[*zap*]

Someone on the trapping forum said their banks (Alaska) are closing.....could this be a 'Black Swan' event?

 

[MuleDeerMike]

Someone on the trapping forum said their banks (Alaska) are closing.....could this be a 'Black Swan' event?

Closing as in employees are currently staying home or closing as in the ATMs are no longer working as well?

 

[Rmauch20]

The students are going to be the ones that ultimately suffer for this decision. Unbelievable.
A total ******* knee-jerk reaction.

All K-12 schools in KS closed for rest of year

Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly announces all K-12 schools in the state are closed through the rest of the 2019-2020 school year.

www.kwch.com

 

[WannabeHunter]

Italians over 80 yo

Pray for your fellow man.

The students are going to be the ones that ultimately suffer for this decision. Unbelievable.
A total ******* knee-jerk reaction.

We will see. And honestly, if these measure work, you'll probably say they weren't necessary even though they are the reason the outbreak would be diminshed.

 

[Rmauch20]

Italians over 80 yo

Pray for your fellow man.

You do know the average life expectancy in Italy correct?

And I’ll say it now. the reaction that were seeing was unnecessary.

 

[WannabeHunter]

You do know the average life expectancy in Italy correct?


What would you say if they implemented something similar in the US? I simply said pray for them. I never said I agreed or disagreed with the move. You're worried about schools closing and Italy is implementing ICU criteria to conserve beds.

Also, did you read the article. They are considering limiting patients less than 80 but with comorbidities. That is highly significant.

 

[Dos Perros]

The students are going to be the ones that ultimately suffer for this decision. Unbelievable.
A total ******* knee-jerk reaction.

All K-12 schools in KS closed for rest of year

Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly announces all K-12 schools in the state are closed through the rest of the 2019-2020 school year.

www.kwch.com

THAT seems political. Ridiculous.

 

[MattB]

Someone on the trapping forum said their banks (Alaska) are closing.....could this be a 'Black Swan' event?

There are regulations which essentially prohibit that. So not only do I doubt that on any widespread scale, I would also question the spreading of inflammatory hearsay.

I know of some instances in the lower 48 of bank branches closing that are located on the campuses of colleges that are closing, but that is it.

 

[*zap*]

I just passed on what was posted, there are regulations that allow me to leave my home also but those could be suspended.

To clarify what he said was the RBC branches where he lives were closed, yukon not Alaska.