What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[Billinsd]

Youd think all the ammo horders from years past would commiserate with the TP horders of today ....
WTF does it hurt to be prepared for a scenario that maybe on the fat tail of the curve.

One of my friend's called me a prepper. I like to have about 40 or more rolls of TP and paper towels, because I hate to run out of stuff. My kids run through TP and paper towels like crazy. It's because they wipe their hands with them, the paper towels, at the kitchen sink. I'm training everyone to use cloth towels to dry hands, etc. I think many people are being prudent and buying some supplies if they get sick. I know I used to keep a big bottle of Gatoraid by my bed, because I got food poisoning once and got so dehydrated and passed out in the kitchen filling up a glass of water.

 

[skywalkr]

Seroius question for you fear mongers how can you look at the real numbers and claim this is a catastrophe? Maybe you should run the numbers from the swine flu of 2009 and you will see what a joke the Corona virus is

Not a fear monger, more in the middle and taking what I consider a rational, watch and see approach. However, the real numbers are pretty worthless right now. We are not testing nearly enough people in the US to understand what we are really facing at the moment. It will also take a few days for the s to really hit the fan. This is because from time to exposure to worst symptoms, in those who experience the bad symptoms, is over five days. Once those start filling the hospitals we are going to see what we’re made of.

 

[jmez]

"Reptile Strategy"

 

[Scrappy]

In December 2002 I came down with the flu real bad. Worst I can remember getting sick. I took the flu shot, however what I got was a different strand. I had a 105 to 106 fever, was taking ibuprofen round the clock. I had a single sheet covering me and when I sweated it completely through I would hang it to dry and then repeat for days. Then my asthma came on strong and I got pneumonia. I went to the ER several times for breathing treatments and when I got better was sent home. I was told that the hospitals were full.

It is a real concern that hospitals will be full. They are probably full a lot during flu and cold season. There doesn't seem to be enough beds.

This isn't a Corona virus isolated problem. They way it looks, there hopefully will be enough beds the way things are going.
Bill

Let's not forget these hospitals are for profit institutions. If the crap goes south a whole lot of those beds become available because they won't need to be keeping people overnight for no real reason other than the patient's health insurance will cover it. Now the ERs will have a headache for while having to deal with idiots.

 

[sasquatch]

It's the fear of getting to that number, which given current information is technically plausible. Fear is a powerful thing.

I always thought we was only suppose to fear, fear itself


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[sasquatch]

Not a fear monger, more in the middle and taking what I consider a rational, watch and see approach. However, the real numbers are pretty worthless right now. We are not testing nearly enough people in the US to understand what we are really facing at the moment. It will also take a few days for the s to really hit the fan. This is because from time to exposure to worst symptoms, in those who experience the bad symptoms, is over five days. Once those start filling the hospitals we are going to see what we’re made of.

We are made up of NOTHING. We fear everything because news flys by our finger tips 24/7 making things appear much bigger issues than they are!

Look around you. Everyone wants door bell cameras to alert them anytime some walks by the house. Big privacy fences to hide in their backyard, you know Cuz they all out there naked I guess. For Christ sake we live in a free country and people are happy to quarantine themselves much less the govt do it. Just throw some news out there that the aliens are coming and everyone would hide under the bed!

Fact is statistically per capita we are generally more safe now than ever. However since you dnt have to read the news paper or watch the news to hear about stuff we instill fear into ourselves! I remover not long ago Obama and Ebola was gonna kill us all, North Korea was gonna bomb us, weapons of mass destruction were gonna while us off the face of the earth, and the BP oil spill was going to kill all ocean life etc etc.

Yet, time passed people got bored with it and moved onto the next thing to fear!

We’re weaker today because we run to the doctor for every single little thing. Our immune systems are weak from taking meds for every little ache and pain!

What don’t kill you makes ya stronger, and we could use much more strong!

Turkey season opens this weekend where I live, I pray everyone hides inside scared to enjoy life so I can have the woods to myself


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[Fatcamp]

Let's not forget these hospitals are for profit institutions. If the crap goes south a whole lot of those beds become available because they won't need to be keeping people overnight for no real reason other than the patient's health insurance will cover it. Now the ERs will have a headache for while having to deal with idiots.

Triage is a very real thing. Often times patients are kept due to fear that their condition is deteriorating. If respiratory failure patients present they would take precedence over a dementia patient with GI/dehydration issues. Plenty of room to move people around and most hospitals would just declare a wing an isolation ward and fill it with CPAP/ventilators staffed by nurses and techs who are positive.

It's just a guess but I would imagine the number of very critical beds could triple very quickly. As in days.

 

[skywalkr]

We are made up of NOTHING. We fear everything because news flys by our finger tips 24/7 making things appear much bigger issues than they are!

Look around you. Everyone wants door bell cameras to alert them anytime some walks by the house. Big privacy fences to hide in their backyard, you know Cuz they all out there naked I guess. For Christ sake we live in a free country and people are happy to quarantine themselves much less the govt do it. Just throw some news out there that the aliens are coming and everyone would hide under the bed!

Fact is statistically per capita we are generally more safe now than ever. However since you dnt have to read the news paper or watch the news to hear about stuff we instill fear into ourselves! I remover not long ago Obama and Ebola was gonna kill us all, North Korea was gonna bomb us, weapons of mass destruction were gonna while us off the face of the earth, and the BP oil spill was going to kill all ocean life etc etc.

Yet, time passed people got bored with it and moved onto the next thing to fear!

We’re weaker today because we run to the doctor for every single little thing. Our immune systems are weak from taking meds for every little ache and pain!

What don’t kill you makes ya stronger, and we could use much more strong!

Turkey season opens this weekend where I live, I pray everyone hides inside scared to enjoy life so I can have the woods to myself


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Sir, this is a Wendy’s

 

[fmyth]

Let's not forget these hospitals are for profit institutions. If the crap goes south a whole lot of those beds become available because they won't need to be keeping people overnight for no real reason other than the patient's health insurance will cover it. Now the ERs will have a headache for while having to deal with idiots.

I just had this discussion with my buddy who is a hospital consultant for one of the largest firms in the US.
Here is how he explained length of hospital stays to me:

All insurance companies in the US have pre negotiated with the hospitals for length of stay for each and every illness etc. When a hospital keeps a patient beyond that pre negotiated length of stay they do not get paid for it. If a hospital pushes a patient out early and the patient has to return within a certain amount of time they are obligated to treat the patient and don't get paid for the second visit.

 

[Billinsd]

Let's not forget these hospitals are for profit institutions. If the crap goes south a whole lot of those beds become available because they won't need to be keeping people overnight for no real reason other than the patient's health insurance will cover it. Now the ERs will have a headache for while having to deal with idiots.

Most hospitals are non profit.

 

[Tom_]

For what it is worth. Both of my daughters are nurses at different Maryland hospitals. Both had training today for "When shit hits the fan". Training was geared to overflow, critical care and triage. keep in mind that this is Maryland and this area goes off the deep end at everything.

 

[fmyth]

Triage is a very real thing. Often times patients are kept due to fear that their condition is deteriorating. If respiratory failure patients present they would take precedence over a dementia patient with GI/dehydration issues. Plenty of room to move people around and most hospitals would just declare a wing an isolation ward and fill it with CPAP/ventilators staffed by nurses and techs who are positive.

It's just a guess but I would imagine the number of very critical beds could triple very quickly. As in days.

I wonder how many spare ventilators they have laying around in storage at $25,000 to 50,000 each? I'd bet its a very very small number. You also have to consider that the nurse to patient ratio for ICU is 1 nurse for 2 patients. Even if they have enough ventilators and beds they wouldn't have the staff.

 

[fmyth]

Most hospitals are non profit.

In December 2002 I came down with the flu real bad. Worst I can remember getting sick. I took the flu shot, however what I got was a different strand. I had a 105 to 106 fever, was taking ibuprofen round the clock. I had a single sheet covering me and when I sweated it completely through I would hang it to dry and then repeat for days. Then my asthma came on strong and I got pneumonia. I went to the ER several times for breathing treatments and when I got better was sent home. I was told that the hospitals were full.

It is a real concern that hospitals will be full. They are probably full a lot during flu and cold season. There doesn't seem to be enough beds.

This isn't a Corona virus isolated problem. They way it looks, there hopefully will be enough beds the way things are going.
Bill

The hospital where my daughter works as a Med Surgical nurse just cancelled all elective surgeries to free up resources.

 

[jspradley]

Seroius question for you fear mongers how can you look at the real numbers and claim this is a catastrophe? Maybe you should run the numbers from the swine flu of 2009 and you will see what a joke the Corona virus is

You didn't answer my question.

But anyway, nowhere did I say anyone should be afraid, and they definitely should not panic but people should absolutely be vigilant and take appropriate measures.

As far as H1N1, it infected something like 60 million people in the US and had a pretty low mortality rate, it was a fairly large deal but it didn't end up being a huge deal.

It's also a completely different virus than what we have now so I'm not sure exactly what you are basing a direct comparison on so please explain.

The current projections I have seen (which could certainly be wrong though it's likely way more right than what us randos on the internet might come up with) we are looking at estimates of a final mortality rate of around .6% to 1% which is far higher than H1N1 or the regular ol' flu.

The key to whether it will end up causing a huge human toll is exactly how many cases we end up with, yeah we are at around 130 thousand or so now but literally no person in the know expects it to stay anywhere around that low.

One interview I listened to with a Johns Hopkins guy stated that it's not unrealistic to expect 800,000 deaths in America alone with best case scenario as this ending up about 6x worse than the regular flu.

I totally get it, things don't seem that bad RIGHT NOW and if this was all we are looking at happening then I'd be 100% on board with calling this overblown but when everyone who knows anything is saying that this is just the beginning then it's probably a good idea to listen to them.

No it's not going to be the end of human civilization but it's still likely to suck pretty bad for the next few months.

 

[Fatcamp]

I wonder how many spare ventilators they have laying around in storage at $25,000 to 50,000 each? I'd bet its a very very small number. You also have to consider that the nurse to patient ratio for ICU is 1 nurse for 2 patients. Even if they have enough ventilators and beds they wouldn't have the staff.

If required nurse to patient ratio would change and CPAP machines do a fair job of helping to breath without sedation. Not saying it's ideal, just pointing out that improvise, adapt, overcome, is alive and well.

Plenty of staff around, just have to figure out who goes where. And ya, if it got bad enough deaths would increase.

 

[Billinsd]

The hospital where my daughter works as a Med Surgical nurse just cancelled all elective surgeries to free up resources.

Wow!!

 

[Billinsd]

One interview I listened to with a Johns Hopkins guy stated that it's not unrealistic to expect 800,000 deaths in America alone with best case scenario as this ending up about 6x worse than the regular flu.

I'll listen to John Hopkins..

 

[ODB]

The hospital where my daughter works as a Med Surgical nurse just cancelled all elective surgeries to free up resources.

Not surprising in the least, why waste equipment on elective surgeries at this unknown moment.

 

[fmyth]

If required nurse to patient ratio would change and CPAP machines do a fair job of helping to breath without sedation. Not saying it's ideal, just pointing out that improvise, adapt, overcome, is alive and well.

Plenty of staff around, just have to figure out who goes where. And ya, if it got bad enough deaths would increase.

Thanks for pointing out that CPAP machines can be used in treatment. I found this article that mentions it: https://nam.edu/duty-to-plan-health-care-crisis-standards-of-care-and-novel-coronavirus-sars-cov-2/

 

[Billinsd]

I wonder how many spare ventilators they have laying around in storage at $25,000 to 50,000 each?

I did some googling

Not surprising in the least, why waste equipment on elective surgeries at this unknown moment.

I don't think it's the equipment as much as the rooms.