What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[S.Clancy]

I hope all you dooms dayers save your post so in a couple months when this thing isn't even mentioned anymore you can eat crow. Sort of like H1N1, SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, etc. etc.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

 

[justin davis]

Are the pilots referring to the media or leadership?

Referring to the “panic” that is going on. Making a big deal out of something that isn’t.

 

[MtnOyster]

The entire country of Italy is on lockdown, I guess it’s not a big deal......huh

 

[justin davis]

The entire country of Italy is on lockdown, I guess it’s not a big deal......huh

Did you go there? How do you know?

 

[brsnow]

Did you go there? How do you know?

Lol

 

[justin davis]

Be like Bob

 

[MtnOyster]

Bob will be dead in a month

 

[brsnow]

Be like Bob

I would rather get updates from my friends in Italy. Not everyone lives under a rock bob.

 

[orionthehunter1]

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.


AGE DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
80+ years old 21.9%


DEATH RATE
all cases
80+ years old 14.8%
70-79 years old 8.0%
60-69 years old 3.6%
50-59 years old 1.3%
40-49 years old 0.4%
30-39 years old 0.2%
20-29 years old 0.2%
10-19 years old 0.2%
0-9 years old no fatalities

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). The percentages do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group.

In general, relatively few cases are seen among children.

I'll take my chances. Why don't you guys so concerned about dying focus on heart disease or cancer you know the things that actually kill tens of thousands of people

 

[EastMT]

From the podcast, a cardiologist in Milan says they are deciding who to let die because they can’t treat everyone and not even screening health care workers because they can’t afford to send them home. Yup, just a head cold.

Also they discussed affected people, sounds like it’s rougher on obese people, high BP also. Wonder how that will compare to slim Chinese people as far as severe symptoms?

In 3-4 weeks we will find out I guess, none of us really know, just have to ride it out. People keep going nuts over TP though we may be using wash rags like old style diapers, wash and reuse hahaha.

 

[orionthehunter1]

Joe Rogan and his guest are mistaken if they can't handle a 1000 people countrywide in a hospital they have bigger issue than Coronavirus.

Italy’s large elderly population poses a challenge in slowing the number of coronavirus deaths in the worst-affected country in Europe, a health specialist has said.

The virus has killed 79 people in Italy, overwhelmingly aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.

The youngest patient to die was 55 and suffering from chronic disease. A 61-year-old doctor who was not known to have underlying health problems has also died.




Thank you for your feedback.

The death toll, provided by officials on Tuesday night, marked an increase of 27 in 24 hours. Twenty-three per cent of the Italian population is over 65, making it the oldest in the world after Japan.

“Italy is a country of old people,” said Prof Massimo Galli, the director of infectious diseases at Sacco hospital in Milan. “The elderly with previous pathologies are notoriously numerous here. I think this could explain why we are seeing more serious cases of coronavirus here, which I repeat, in the vast majority of cases start mildly and cause few problems, especially in young people and certainly in children.





“Our life expectancy is among the highest in the world. But unfortunately, in a situation like this, old people are more at risk of a serious outcome.”

The are more than 2,500 people infected in Italy. Health workers have carried out 25,856 swab tests, significantly dwarfing the number undertaken in other European countries.

Those tested include Pope Francis, 83, after he was forced to cancel engagements this week because of a cold. He returned a negative result, Il Messaggero newspaper reported on Tuesday.

The majority of cases – 1,520 – are in the northern Lombardy region, where 10 towns have been under lockdown for more than a week. The virus has spread to more than half of Italy’s 20 regions, including Tuscany, Puglia, Sicily and recently Sardinia.

Authorities say the majority of people who tested positive in other regions were travelling from Lombardy or had been in the north for a few weeks before the outbreak.





Of those infected, 1034 are in hospital – 229 in intensive care – and 1,229 are recovering at home. The number of people who have recovered from the illness has more than doubled to 160.

 

[brsnow]

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.


AGE DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
80+ years old 21.9%


DEATH RATE
all cases
80+ years old 14.8%
70-79 years old 8.0%
60-69 years old 3.6%
50-59 years old 1.3%
40-49 years old 0.4%
30-39 years old 0.2%
20-29 years old 0.2%
10-19 years old 0.2%
0-9 years old no fatalities

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). The percentages do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group.

In general, relatively few cases are seen among children.

I'll take my chances. Why don't you guys so concerned about dying focus on heart disease or cancer you know the things that actually kill tens of thousands of people

not concerned about dying, concerned about how you protect they 70 plus years olds. They still matter.

 

[EastMT]

Joe Rogan and his guest are mistaken if they can't handle a 1000 people countrywide in a hospital they have bigger issue than Coronavirus.

Italy’s large elderly population poses a challenge in slowing the number of coronavirus deaths in the worst-affected country in Europe, a health specialist has said.

The virus has killed 79 people in Italy, overwhelmingly aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.

The youngest patient to die was 55 and suffering from chronic disease. A 61-year-old doctor who was not known to have underlying health problems has also died.




Thank you for your feedback.

The death toll, provided by officials on Tuesday night, marked an increase of 27 in 24 hours. Twenty-three per cent of the Italian population is over 65, making it the oldest in the world after Japan.

“Italy is a country of old people,” said Prof Massimo Galli, the director of infectious diseases at Sacco hospital in Milan. “The elderly with previous pathologies are notoriously numerous here. I think this could explain why we are seeing more serious cases of coronavirus here, which I repeat, in the vast majority of cases start mildly and cause few problems, especially in young people and certainly in children.





“Our life expectancy is among the highest in the world. But unfortunately, in a situation like this, old people are more at risk of a serious outcome.”

The are more than 2,500 people infected in Italy. Health workers have carried out 25,856 swab tests, significantly dwarfing the number undertaken in other European countries.

Those tested include Pope Francis, 83, after he was forced to cancel engagements this week because of a cold. He returned a negative result, Il Messaggero newspaper reported on Tuesday.

The majority of cases – 1,520 – are in the northern Lombardy region, where 10 towns have been under lockdown for more than a week. The virus has spread to more than half of Italy’s 20 regions, including Tuscany, Puglia, Sicily and recently Sardinia.

Authorities say the majority of people who tested positive in other regions were travelling from Lombardy or had been in the north for a few weeks before the outbreak.





Of those infected, 1034 are in hospital – 229 in intensive care – and 1,229 are recovering at home. The number of people who have recovered from the illness has more than doubled to 160.

Not sure how old that info is, here is the latest, over 10k

 

[orionthehunter1]

not concerned about dying, concerned about how you protect they 70 plus years olds. They still matter.

You should focus on pneumonia and the flu then. It kills way more 70 plus year olds then the Coronavirus

 

[Kevin Dill]

I personally defer to the knowledge and recommendations of medical science over that of professional politicians....

and edited to include pundits. Thank you.

 

[Trial153]

unfortunately this really highlights the general ignorance in people. when you put more stock in catchy memes and one liners then you do education and science, ignorant vs stupid argument gets brought to the forefront.
If we can’t admit to ourselves that we are ignorant on subject, especially one that has potential dire consequences, than which are we?

In risk assessment, investing, gambling, ect we sometime find ourselves with a proposition that is that has a favorable probability. However then negative consequences, even though the out come is very unlikely negates the potential rewards, no amount of upside is worth the downside. The fat tail theory is correct here. Ignoring something dire because it’s improbable is stupidity. Given enough spins of the wheel even the most unlikely events will happen at some point.

In this case I would rather be wrong in exercising an abundance of caution and trying to mitigate the situation than the alternative of being wrong after the fact.

 

[SoDaky]

Man that liberal meme hurt huh?That one can be applied to any issue in the forefront today.Deny it if you want.Unbiased educated people can see it daily.
Risk analysis etc is one thing,fear mongering is another.Check out the definition perhaps.
Until the Rogan vid I saw(see)very little science here but ,as you say 'ignorance prevails' and dire predictions/projections based on that are mongering at best.
I don't know,you don't know.Fact.
Sadly Osterholm might.He's been right on many things historically.

 

[ODB]

From the podcast, a cardiologist in Milan says they are deciding who to let die because they can’t treat everyone and not even screening health care workers because they can’t afford to send them home. Yup, just a head cold.

Also they discussed affected people, sounds like it’s rougher on obese people, high BP also. Wonder how that will compare to slim Chinese people as far as severe symptoms?

In 3-4 weeks we will find out I guess, none of us really know, just have to ride it out. People keep going nuts over TP though we may be using wash rags like old style diapers, wash and reuse hahaha.

I was talking to the wife about your last point regarding people hoarding TP for fear of being quarantined and maybe having to be creative about hygiene.

If we, as a culture, lose our shit and Fall into huddled masses because if we are stuck at home we can’t find a way to hygienically clean ourselves, we need a swift kick in the head. Did none of us clean diapers for months on end? Hell, we used cloth diapers on our kid. Are we so fragile that the thought of in an an emergency we might consider using a washcloth to clean ourselves, which we then WASH and use again leaves us white with fear? Have we forgotten how to be resilient and robust and forge ahead? If our ancestors reacted this way, none of us would be here...they’d all have been piles of chewed up bones in the hyaena shit...

 

[brsnow]

I CC and always pack my heat in the backcountry, better to have it and not need it, I also feel safer. Actual proven threat floating around, just going to stick my head in the sand. Got to love it!

 

[Billinsd]

You should focus on pneumonia and the flu then. It kills way more 70 plus year olds then the Coronavirus

These people should of course get flu and pneumonia shots regularly. People who visit and care for them should be extremely careful washing their hands, covering their mouths when coughing, etc. They should avoid large gatherings, etc.