What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[Dos Perros]

But it doesn''t have a 10%-20% mortality rate. You can what if all day, the mortality rate of this bug is going to come in around .5% when they work back all the numbers. Exactly what you would expect with the apparent morbidity rate.

And 96% of that 0.5% have underlying health conditions. The odds of a healthy person dying from it is on the order of 1 in 2500.

 

[SgtTanner]

Because when this is all said and done, we need to hold those in office accountable for the good and bad, regardless of party. It is our duty as citizens to stay informed and be active in politics.

Agreed. And I’ll stay educated and vote. But arguing over who is responsible or which party is worse doesn’t need to take our attention away from the task at hand. That task is getting thru this. Hopefully on the other end, all of our teams (friends, families, neighbors... Rokslider?) are stronger. Playing the blame game won’t get us there. Sure, we can get thru it playing the blame game, but then we’ll be just as divided as this nation is right now. Maybe more divided.

 

[jmez]

If a big meteor hits the earth and knocks it off its orbit your screwed. You can play that game all day.

 

[NDGuy]

Sure, we can get thru it playing the blame game, but then we’ll be just as divided as this nation is right now.

I know what you mean man I do. But you can do both!

At the end of the day, we cannot sit by idly while our elected officials lie to us and make poor decisions without consequences. Overall, the federal government has let us down.

 

[Dos Perros]

When has the federal government ever met your expectations? I can’t think of one instance for myself personally.

 

[NDGuy]

When has the federal government ever met your expectations? I can’t think of one instance for myself personally.

HAHA Touche' man!

Doesn't mean we can't try.

 

[Vince8112]

Fortunate to live in Wyoming. We hardly notice it here as things carry on as usual for the most part.

 

[SgtTanner]

I know what you mean man I do. But you can do both!

At the end of the day, we cannot sit by idly while our elected officials lie to us and make poor decisions without consequences. Overall, the federal government has let us down.

The government never gets everything right. But keep on fueling the divide. I’m sure divided is better.

 

[tdot]

I don’t understand why healthcare workers aren’t using elastomeric half or full face respirators. They have better protection than N95’s, fit easier, more comfortable, and you can clean and reuse every day. I ordered some spare P100 cartridge filters today for $7.

It has to do with cross contamination and sterilization.... apparently. That little vent hole at the bottom of the masks could possibly spread the virus, as its unfiltered air. With the many folds/contours of the mask, it's very difficult to sterilize.

This is what my wife was told when I sent 2 properly fitted masks with her to work and a supply of replacement filters. Hospital admin told her the above.

She is being asked to work on patients with an N95 mask, that I wouldn't allow my construction workers sweeping floors to wear. Craziness.

 

[jmez]

Some numbers for perspective as that still seems to be lacking. Worldwide numbers. And, yes I realize the numbers go up daily, but ALL of these numbers go up daily. This info is available on the Worldometer site. This is the worldwide number of deaths from Jan 1 to April 3 2020. This takes into account that Covid is new, these are all updated as they happen in real time. So, at present, it is a valid comparison. Those that are so concerned for life, every life, are about to come unglued, or not.

Covid deaths 55,766
Influenza 124,351
Malaria 250,865
Suicide 274,260
Auto accidents 345,244
HIV 429,938
Alcohol related 639,669
Cancer 2,100,490
Communicable disease (Covid deaths are in here) 3,320,109

 

[Matt Cashell]

Why so much talk of politics and parties? We should be talking about unity within our families and communities and helping our neighbors. If some of you spent as much time focusing on those around you as you do condemning those you disagree with, we would probably be better off on the other side of this thing. Sure, both parties are stupid. Accept it and focus on what matters right now.

I absolutely agree with this, and I also agree with NDguy that eventually there should be accountability for everyone.

We should definitely learn from this pandemic. In the end, If California’s response shows significantly better results than New York, or Georgia, or wherever, then we should model our response to the next pandemic appropriately, regardless of identity politics.

Criticism of the Trump administration’s response or Trump’s statements does not mean the critic absolves De Blasio or any other politician of their response or statements. We don’t have to ignore the successes or failures of either party. They are still individually and as an administration accountable for what they did, said, and failed to do.

We can and should hold them accountable when this crises is over. Right now, we definitely need to come together (but not too closely) as neighbors, communities, and a country to defeat this thing.

There isn’t a single infectious disease expert that advocates just letting the virus run its course.

Dr. Fauci says following the guidelines will save millions of lives. I will do my best to do my small part, and I hope all of you do, too.

 

[Matt Cashell]

Some numbers for perspective as that still seems to be lacking. Worldwide numbers. And, yes I realize the numbers go up daily, but ALL of these numbers go up daily. This info is available on the Worldometer site. This is the worldwide number of deaths from Jan 1 to April 4 2020. This takes into account that Covid is new, these are all updated as they happen in real time. So, at present, it is a valid comparison. Those that are so concerned for life, every life, are about to come unglued, or not.

Covid deaths 55,766
Influenza 124,351
Malaria 250,865
Suicide 274,260
Auto accidents 345,244
HIV 429,938
Alcohol related 639,669
Cancer 2,100,490
Communicable disease (Covid deaths are in here) 3,320,109

There is a major difference though.

Every other cause of death on your list has established treatments/preventions to mitigate their numbers. No such treatments and mitigation’s exist for Covid.

It is also the only cause on the list that is exponentially rising.

I fear it will overtake many on your list.

Why not do what we can to slow the spread?

 

[timekiller13]

Large population areas such as NYC are going to get hit hard (as they already are being hit hard). Smaller, more rural areas should slide by without much issue, I'm betting nothing worse than a bad flu season. The issue will arise that these small hospitals, like the one I work at, that do not staff trauma surgeons, neurosurgeons, cardiothoracic surgeons and the like are going to be stuck with caring for patients they wouldn't normally care for. For example, my hospital transfers out all traumas because we do not have a trauma surgeon. If our big trauma centers are overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients, we may have to keep these patients we would normally send out. We are not equipped nor trained well enough to do this. My ED staff nurses and physicians are skilled enough to stabilize a trauma patient long enough to get them transferred to a better hospital. We are not trained well enough (or experienced enough) to care for these patients for hours or even days. Add to that fact that our floor nurses and hospitalists are not trained in caring for trauma patients, you have all the makings for a disaster.

 

[307]

Fortunate to live in Wyoming. We hardly notice it here as things carry on as usual for the most part.

you forgot to add, yet. It's coming to you too.

Spanish flu made its way into Inuit villages in AK, in the early 1900's...

It's coming.

 

[Elk97]

Some numbers for perspective as that still seems to be lacking. Worldwide numbers. And, yes I realize the numbers go up daily, but ALL of these numbers go up daily. This info is available on the Worldometer site. This is the worldwide number of deaths from Jan 1 to April 3 2020. This takes into account that Covid is new, these are all updated as they happen in real time. So, at present, it is a valid comparison. Those that are so concerned for life, every life, are about to come unglued, or not.

Covid deaths 55,766
Influenza 124,351
Malaria 250,865
Suicide 274,260
Auto accidents 345,244
HIV 429,938
Alcohol related 639,669
Cancer 2,100,490
Communicable disease (Covid deaths are in here) 3,320,109

There is only one cause of death on your list that wasn't there last year . And there is only one that is doubling every three to four days.
Seems like you are trying to compare a novel pandemic to known annual cause of death statistics. Hardly apples to apples.

 

[ODB]

Large population areas such as NYC are going to get hit hard (as they already are being hit hard). Smaller, more rural areas should slide by without much issue, I'm betting nothing worse than a bad flu season. The issue will arise that these small hospitals, like the one I work at, that do not staff trauma surgeons, neurosurgeons, cardiothoracic surgeons and the like are going to be stuck with caring for patients they wouldn't normally care for. For example, my hospital transfers out all traumas because we do not have a trauma surgeon. If our big trauma centers are overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients, we may have to keep these patients we would normally send out. We are not equipped nor trained well enough to do this. My ED staff nurses and physicians are skilled enough to stabilize a trauma patient long enough to get them transferred to a better hospital. We are not trained well enough (or experienced enough) to care for these patients for hours or even days. Add to that fact that our floor nurses and hospitalists are not trained in caring for trauma patients, you have all the makings for a disaster.

Not sure where you live, but the small hospital my wife works at is run by either bean counters or uneducated staff. We came here to set up the cardiac MRI program, that’s done now, and I can’t wait to leave this podunk system that is literally 20 years behind the times with NO, I repeat, NO interest in changing things for the better. They are absolutely institutionalized to their own narrow way of thinking and pts suffer for it. Screw them.

 

[THBZN]

Yep, if anyone thinks their state is immune to this because it is "rural" or not like NYC, while hopeful, is unfortunately very naive....I live in MT in Gallatin county where we have the vast majority of cases. If you look up in the NE part of the state (where my wife has relatives) you will see very low cases (tested cases).
Everyone up there is saying the same thing "We are fine, the big cities are where the trouble is..."" blah, blah blah.....then, those same individuals drive to Billings to stock up on supplies. No joke. Five people pile into a car, drive for 5 hours, make 3-4 stops, wander around Costco, etc. and then drive home. Average age -- 75.
The stupidity and clueless attitudes of some is shocking. But, it is that kind of thinking that will cause this to be more persistent and pervasive than it currently is.....come on people. THINK.

 

[tdot]

Some numbers for perspective as that still seems to be lacking. Worldwide numbers. And, yes I realize the numbers go up daily, but ALL of these numbers go up daily. This info is available on the Worldometer site. This is the worldwide number of deaths from Jan 1 to April 3 2020. This takes into account that Covid is new, these are all updated as they happen in real time. So, at present, it is a valid comparison. Those that are so concerned for life, every life, are about to come unglued, or not.

Covid deaths 55,766
Influenza 124,351
Malaria 250,865
Suicide 274,260
Auto accidents 345,244
HIV 429,938
Alcohol related 639,669
Cancer 2,100,490
Communicable disease (Covid deaths are in here) 3,320,109

That is a meaningless comparison. Now if you told me that 99% of the people in the world hadnt been exposed to cars, or booze, or depression, or sex, or cancer, and their associated death rates were that high, ok, it starts to have validity.

But you are welcome to think as you want to.

When you look outside and its sunny. But a weather forecast says its raining on the next state over, and a hurricane coming straight for you. Do you focus on the sun and the rain in the next state and complain that your neighbors are boarding up their windows?

Alot of our lives are dictated by forecasts. They take the best information available at the time, add in some education, knowledge and hopefully some experience and wisdom. Google can provide 2 of the 4.

But you keep comparing the here and now. Others will choose to look forward and understand that maybe it'll be different then today.

 

[jmez]

So you can look at that two ways. Every number other than Covid has established treatments/preventions to mitigate their numbers. Yet their numbers are all still much higher than Covid.

It's taken about 10 days for that Covid number to double. Still hard to predict if that trend will continue with a novel virus. That may shorten and it could also lengthen. No one really knows at this point. As our numbers are going up Italy's are coming down. Spain is about the same place we are so theirs will continue to rise as well.

It will pass influenza. That one is going to start really tailing off over the next 30 days and then be stagnant again until October. It may get past Malaria and suicide, time will tell. I don't think it will surpass auto accidents.

Though there is some other interesting information out there if you look. Total deaths in the US took a nosedive right after the shutdowns went into place. Extremely divergent on a graph. The theory is better behavior by all is leading to far less deaths.

Like I said, posted the numbers for perspective. Maybe tap the brakes a little on the "sky is falling" stuff. IMO the biggest difference between all of the information in those numbers is that only one of them is not accepted by the general populace.

 

[Elk97]

Yep, if anyone thinks their state is immune to this because it is "rural" or not like NYC, while hopeful, is unfortunately very naive....I live in MT in Gallatin county where we have the vast majority of cases. If you look up in the NE part of the state (where my wife has relatives) you will see very low cases (tested cases).
Everyone up there is saying the same thing "We are fine, the big cities are where the trouble is..."" blah, blah blah.....then, those same individuals drive to Billings to stock up on supplies. No joke. Five people pile into a car, drive for 5 hours, make 3-4 stops, wander around Costco, etc. and then drive home. Average age -- 75.
The stupidity and clueless attitudes of some is shocking. But, it is that kind of thinking that will cause this to be more persistent and pervasive than it currently is.....come on people. THINK.

Yep, lots of stupidity going around. We know two families that were in Africa until recently. Flew back to Seattle (three flights through UK, US) and are supposed to be in two week quarantine. They have shopped at several stores, and traveled to the island we live on (they have vacation homes here) using the commercial water taxi boat (with other passengers/crew) and are coming and going like normal. No wonder this thing is exploding.