Utah- what the hell?

[mtwarden]

The inability of some posters on this site to understand that there are others that recreate and use the land and resources differently than they do is astounding.

Yeah but they probably could draw a tag if they wanted

 

[Jason Snyder]

The very people posting this type of thing about how valuable the public land is for timber, mining, ranching, ATV, outfitters etc are the exact people who talk about how bad those things are and how they needs to be brought in line blah blah blah in every other non land transfer thread.

Not me. Multiple use is just that.

 

[tdhanses]

Not me. Multiple use is just that.

Yeah same here but many feel come hunting season it’s their own personal paradise and others are not welcome, they hate seeing NR license plates at a federal trailhead and will let us all know. Many many residents want the free access to land without sharing it with others and they are not shy about that.

I personally know a few CO residents that will not use federal land come hunting season for fear of being shot, they would love if all federal land was fire arm free.

There are many many views on federal land and the fact is most non hunters that use them do not like hunters.

In the end hunters will be the ones that ruin it for themselves.

Do I really want to see federal lands sold, for the most part no but I do believe we have millions of acres of land that either can’t be accessed or are not really used that should be sold.

 

[HighUintas]

I get a bit grumpy about other users from time to time because when I'm out I'm after being in the wilderness and want to experience it with as little human interaction as possible.

However, I'm not naive and know that all the other users are what helps keep the land available for me to use.

Even if I couldn't hunt, I'd be out taking pictures, hiking, or doing absolutely anything I am allowed to do just because I enjoy being outside in nature.

 

[Hnthrdr]

I agree not all would, like Bill Gates, he would buy a big chunk as would a few others but there would still be plenty that would be available for a hunt lease or trespass fee or to go outfitted, pretty easy to make a bunch of money off your land to let a few utilize it.

I live out here man, the amount of access that has disappeared completely not just outfitters locking up land is astounding. The “new rich” will buy up 5 thousand acres and not bat an eye if they aren’t making a dollar on it, it’s probably tax advantaged for them somehow as a massive write off or they have that much money they just couldn’t care less.

Minds aren’t changed overnight, and I don’t have to change your mind, anyhow. I love wild space public lands, but most Americans do not use them. I have a hard time believing that the populace should be forced to pay for something that is only used by the minority.


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brother I pay taxes for all manner of shit I won’t ever need and use or have the opportunity to use. I for one love the idea that maybe some of tax dollars end up funding public lands even in places I will never step foot.

 

[IdahoBeav]

brother I pay taxes for all manner of shit I won’t ever need and use or have the opportunity to use. I for one love the idea that maybe some of tax dollars end up funding public lands even in places I will never step foot.

And some people are glad to be funding Ukraine, Planned Parenthood, gender studies in Pakistan, etc. Your preferences aren’t justification for the feds stealing money from the populace.


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[Hnthrdr]

And some people are glad to be funding Ukraine, Planned Parenthood, gender studies in Pakistan, etc. Your preferences aren’t justification for the feds stealing money from the populace.


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Yep don’t get to sign a consent form for just about any of that other bullspit, but it ain’t stopping them, I’d prefer my money stay on US soil, but that’s just me. Hell I bet if you asked paying for our public land is probably highest on the list of what people are okay having their taxes go towards. Do you think if they sell it all that you are gonna be able to buy a bunch or something? Haha

 

[IdahoBeav]

Yep don’t get to sign a consent form for just about any of that other bullspit, but it ain’t stopping them, I’d prefer my money stay on US soil, but that’s just me. Hell I bet if you asked paying for our public land is probably highest on the list of what people are okay having their taxes go towards. Do you think if they sell it all that you are gonna be able to buy a bunch or something? Haha

I have no interest in buying any public land, and I hunt public land. I just refuse to only look at things as if myself and people that partake in the same recreation are the only type of people that exist in this country, and I’m not going to simp for the feds.


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[Andrew12gauge]

What if the feds sold off the public lands but with conservation and access easements in perpetuity, that’s the only way I could get on board with this plan


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[Hnthrdr]

I have no interest in buying any public land, and I hunt public land. I just refuse to only look at things as if myself and people that partake in the same recreation are the only type of people that exist in this country, and I’m not going to simp for the feds.


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You do realize that the public lands were not just set up for hunting and recreation right? Ole TR way in the way back recognized how important clean drinking water is. He designated areas that the water came from as protected, if I recall he did this in NY with the Adirondacks, at the state level. Yes it’s great that he had the foresight to conserve land but it goes way beyond this land is here to hunt on…

 

[wytx]

Moot point now: https://suwa.org/rep-chaffetz-withdraws-public-lands-disposal-bill-huge-fights-still-loom/

Pretty easy for those of you advocating to sell to go buy some private lands available.

 

[tdhanses]

Moot point now: https://suwa.org/rep-chaffetz-withdraws-public-lands-disposal-bill-huge-fights-still-loom/

Pretty easy for those of you advocating to sell to go buy some private lands available.

Believe that article was from 2017, think it’s back up from new reps. Chaffetz left office awhile ago I think.

This will keep coming up until it happens, similar to how WY will keep working to reduce NR tags and skyrocket their fees for tags.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

Moot point now: https://suwa.org/rep-chaffetz-withdraws-public-lands-disposal-bill-huge-fights-still-loom/

Pretty easy for those of you advocating to sell to go buy some private lands available.

This is old news, the current iteration is in the form of a lawsuit which they are trying to have taken up directly by the Supreme Court.


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[IdahoBeav]

You do realize that the public lands were not just set up for hunting and recreation right? Ole TR way in the way back recognized how important clean drinking water is. He designated areas that the water came from as protected, if I recall he did this in NY with the Adirondacks, at the state level. Yes it’s great that he had the foresight to conserve land but it goes way beyond this land is here to hunt on…

And not all land produces drinking water, or water at all.

It's not an all or nothing situation. Not all land is equal, and some of it, there is no reason for the fed to own.

 

[Hnthrdr]

And not all land produces drinking water, or water at all.

It's not an all or nothing situation. Not all land is equal, and some of it, there is no reason for the fed to own.

Sure. I do believe in the slippery slope especially when it comes to greed and men’s ability to have an insatiable appetite for everything. I don’t think if we started to sell some they would just stop. Just like income tax was originally meant for top earners and it was 6%…

 

[CJ19]

This is old news, the current iteration is in the form of a lawsuit which they are trying to have taken up directly by the Supreme Court.


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PLT will come up as a legislative issue again sometime in the near future. The legislative angle and legislative appointments are far more dangerous than this lawsuit for PLT at this point. You can squarely blame the conservation lobby, conservation industry, and some of the biggest orgs/names in hunting for that.

 

[ddd-shooter]

I can’t believe people are hesitant to sell off and commodify public resources.
I mean, it’s not like we can point to history and see where commercialization goes too far.
There’s NO examples of humans destroying lands for temporary monetary benefit only to lose them forever and suffer the unintended consequences of doing so.

/sarcasm