UM/S2H/Suppressors/Scopes and More!

[walk2112]

+Another vote for mini action. Anybody can make a bottom metal. UM already has an in with stockys to make a rokstock for it. Plastic tikka mags are not hard to make. I can make one on my kitchen counter in about 10 minutes.
Here’s a custom 223 mag with 2.6coal

 

[eLightfoot]

In conjunction with the UM mini action they shall shorten a 6.5prc to BR length and neck to 22 cal and have ADG make the brass.

 

[Marbles]

I don't see why a mini tikka action couldn't be made to use full length action stocks and accessories... isn't that what a T1x essentially is?

Barrel shank diameter is likely going to be the issue with how the T1x does it. But, if one is fine with Tikka Prefits not being compatible, yes, a similar approach could be used (I think).

Personally, I think an extra long barrel tenon and keeping the action itself the same length would be the way to go. You keep the same length for scope mounts, keep the same footprint, but get a shorter bolt and bolt throw along with a shorter overall length for the same barrel length.

I would consider one in that configuration. Of course some people might prefer having prefits and not care so much about custom stock inlets.

 

[Tail_Hunter]

What specifically are you looking for in identifying the matriarch? I haven't hunted does, but this behavior is extremely interesting, and would appreciate any detail you can share.

In most cases it's the biggest, oldest doe who is clearly leading the group even if she isn't always out in front. Often if button bucks are in the group they will pop out in a field from a staging area well ahead of the others. The dominant doe will appear most alert and cautious without appearing uncertain like subordinate does. If a deer follows your entry trail to the base of your tree and starts stomping and blowing at you, it's usually an older lead doe.

 

[The Fish Box]

I for one want to hear more about this scope. Any ETA on when we will know who the manufacturer is going to be?

 

[The Guide]

I for one want to hear more about this scope. Any ETA on when we will know who the manufacturer is going to be?

No information will be released until after the scopes are tested and approved. This allows them to make changes without affecting the public perception of what the scope is or will be.

Jay

 

[Sadler]

No information will be released until after the scopes are tested and approved. This allows them to make changes without affecting the public perception of what the scope is or will be.

Jay

Did they tell you that or was it already posted somewhere in this thread?

 

[IrkedCitizen]

Did they tell you that or was it already posted somewhere in this thread?

Where is a whole thread about the scope titled "would you buy this scope?"

 

[9.3koolaid]

Point of reference on the suppressor, weighed my ab raptor 6 with 3" reflex. (the skinny barrel 0.75" ID version) 11.9 oz

So 10oz sounds pretty damn good

 

[PaulDogs]

8” oal- 4” and 4”.

That rifle has a 16” barrel.

I see it will fit a 16” barrel with a rokstok. Will the new suppressor fit a 16” barrel with a factory tikka stock?


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[wyosam]

I see it will fit a 16” barrel with a rokstok. Will the new suppressor fit a 16” barrel with a factory tikka stock?


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Should I think. I have put a raptor 6 with 3” reflex on a 16.25” in a factory stock. Not particularly close that I recall.


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[The Guide]

Did they tell you that or was it already posted somewhere in this thread?

It was posted in the scope thread that no more info would be released until the scopes were tested and ready for release. I wouldn't be surprised if there were NDA's that would be required for testers. I'm at a point where until a thing becomes available, in stock, and has an actual price I'm not going to worry about the design parameters or who is building it. Too many things never come to fruition the way they are described.

Jay

 

[walk2112]

In conjunction with the UM mini action they shall shorten a 6.5prc to BR length and neck to 22 cal and have ADG make the brass.

Call it the .22 ThUMtak, because that’s about the shape/geometry it will resemble haha

 

[khuber84]

Call it the .22 ThUMtak, because that’s about the shape/geometry it will resemble haha

223 wssm?

 

[walk2112]

223 wssm?

I kinda forgot about those, but yeah, just imagine an 88 eldm or heavier sticking out the front of one of them with boat tail at neck shoulder junction. Kinda resembles a thumbtack haha
I’m sure it’s been done somewhere, hell it’s probably fun to shoot. Feeding might be a chore though, is that why we don’t see them around much anymore? I never got into them, shot a 243 wssm one time nearly 20 years ago and just remember it had a cool ‘low’ boom to it

 

[Cameron.25]

True, I'm thinking about the broader hunting market and my buddies who scoff at spending four figures on a can. Including stamp, $700 is a lot easier to swallow than $1,100-$1,400.

OTB will probably be enough juice for me to justify the squeeze of a second Ti can. Would love to go 22" on a 6CM instead of 18" and maintain the same rifle OAL.

I mean, who wouldn't want an extra 4"??

i get what you're saying, but you'll be hard pressed to find any of the printed cans at that low of a price point. Those machines are crazy expensive

 

[khuber84]

I kinda forgot about those, but yeah, just imagine an 88 eldm or heavier sticking out the front of one of them with boat tail at neck shoulder junction. Kinda resembles a thumbtack haha
I’m sure it’s been done somewhere, hell it’s probably fun to shoot. Feeding might be a chore though, is that why we don’t see them around much anymore? I never got into them, shot a 243 wssm one time nearly 20 years ago and just remember it had a cool ‘low’ boom to it

Horrible feeding characteristics and poor factory support killed the wssm cases. The 223 wssm was the only one that truly punched heavily in its caliber class. The 243wssm was just a bit faster than 243, and the 25wssm was easily beaten by the 25-06 which is what they were trying to be quantified against. Idk if 22s on magnum case heads are even necessary. The 22cm rips already, there's always the 22 middlestead which holds 10% more powder than the creed. Once you get up near 57-60gr powder in a 22, things start to get inefficient quickly. Having to go to slow burn rates in small bores starts to cause powder bridging and some really funky stuff can happen with the columns burn characteristics.

 

[eLightfoot]

Horrible feeding characteristics and poor factory support killed the wssm cases. The 223 wssm was the only one that truly punched heavily in its caliber class. The 243wssm was just a bit faster than 243, and the 25wssm was easily beaten by the 25-06 which is what they were trying to be quantified against. Idk if 22s on magnum case heads are even necessary. The 22cm rips already, there's always the 22 middlestead which holds 10% more powder than the creed. Once you get up near 57-60gr powder in a 22, things start to get inefficient quickly. Having to go to slow burn rates in small bores starts to cause powder bridging and some really funky stuff can happen with the columns burn characteristics.

I may be wrong but I’m guessing a br length prc case would be real similar capacity to a creedmoor? Maybe a little less. Might feed better than the wssm having a non rebated rim and being a little slimmer. It would be pretty cool if a legit mini action came along and could be made to feed reliably.

 

[Steve O]

The new reflex suppressor is exciting. Curious to see what barrel diameter the reflex will accommodate.

@Unknown Munitions

Now wanting to wade thru 15 pages, can you explain how the reflex supressor mounts and works?

Does it seal off at the rear? Is there a machined insert to match the barrel diameter in the rear? Do the gasses escape rearward?

I understand the female threads are countersunk 4” in but want to make sure it will fit something other that a fat carbon wrapped barrel.

 

[ElPollo]

@Unknown Munitions

Now wanting to wade thru 15 pages, can you explain how the reflex supressor mounts and works?

Does it seal off at the rear? Is there a machined insert to match the barrel diameter in the rear? Do the gasses escape rearward?

I understand the female threads are countersunk 4” in but want to make sure it will fit something other that a fat carbon wrapped barrel.

The over the barrel section (reflex) is a sealed expansion chamber. The gases enter in front of the muzzle expand back into the reflex, then go through the baffles to the muzzle and out the front. They are planning a 5/8x24 direct thread with adapters that will fit under the reflex for smaller threads. This is basically the same set up as an AB Raptor except the suppressor and the reflex are all one piece, where as the reflex on the Raptor can be removed and replaced with an end cap. I originally bought the Raptor because it would give me the performance of a bigger can with shorter overall length and had the flexibility to use with the reflex for extra suppression or without it for less weight. Frankly, I almost never use it without the reflex. What they are planning here would be like running a shorter suppressor with a larger reflex that is lighter. I think it’ll be a pretty great hunting can.