UM/S2H/Suppressors/Scopes and More!

[Formidilosus]

I have no doubt that suppressed shots spook deer less frequently than unsuppressed shots, but there seem to be some variables other than just decibels/tone that contribute to how deer react...otherwise they would run every time when hearing an unsuppressed shot.

Yea there is variability. Which is why it takes large data sets and paying attention to see it. When you are trying to kill an entire deer herd in a soybean field, or fill 10+ tags in a single elk herd- the difference in how the animals behave between bare muzzle, muzzle brake, and suppressed are drastic. It’s less drastic between different suppressors- but differences are there if enough samples are gathered and paid attention to.

Again- I don’t care if you, or anyone else buys this can. It isn’t my company. I and Ryan wanted a certain can type, sound, and tone based on our experience.

 

[Formidilosus]

I have found singles or doubles react less. Guessing that in a large groups if ANY deer reacts all do and the larger the group the more likely it is. Limited sample size for me though, all not supressed

Very much so. Deer are matriarchal. If you drop the matriarch at impact- not a twitch; generally the herd doesn’t react much- they kind of kill about until another doe starts to take charge and leave. If you can spot her and drop her on the spot, it starts over. So one and so forth. I have killed entire deer herds without them leaving the field doing that.

This year hunting elk with Ryan Avery and his uncle, I killed the matriarch in the timber at about 30 yards. The herd ran out to about 450y and milled about looking back at them for 5-10 minutes. Then moved out to about 900 yards and stood around for 10’ish minutes again. They didn’t want to leave. They eventually wondered out into a cut.

 

[Ryan Avery]

These discussions are enjoyable. You can own multiple suppressors that have similar decibel levels but produce very different sounds. For instance, consider the Ultra 7 and the Raptor 8 Stack (No Reflex). While both are comparable in decibels, most people who have heard them prefer the AB. I don't own any suppressor companies, but when asked to assist in designing one, I want it to be as short as possible in front of the muzzle, hearing safe, and produce a hollow sound. I don't think Form and I are alone in wanting a can like this.

 

[realunlucky]

These discussions are enjoyable. You can own multiple suppressors that have similar decibel levels but produce very different sounds. For instance, consider the Ultra 7 and the Raptor 8 Stack (No Reflex). While both are comparable in decibels, most people who have heard them prefer the AB. I don't own any suppressor companies, but when asked to assist in designing one, I want it to be as short as possible in front of the muzzle, hearing safe, and produce a hollow sound. I don't think Form and I are alone in wanting a can like this.

My take away from this whole discussion is does really it matter and if so is it even quantifiable?

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[HighUintas]

These discussions are enjoyable. You can own multiple suppressors that have similar decibel levels but produce very different sounds. For instance, consider the Ultra 7 and the Raptor 8 Stack (No Reflex). While both are comparable in decibels, most people who have heard them prefer the AB. I don't own any suppressor companies, but when asked to assist in designing one, I want it to be as short as possible in front of the muzzle, hearing safe, and produce a hollow sound. I don't think Form and I are alone in wanting a can like this.

I agree on the "want", potentially with the exception of the tone/hollow sound.

I doubt I'll have a need to be able to take multiple shots within a herd without spooking them. It's possible I'll hunt with a partner or family member in the future and we'll want to try to double up, but then that's just an excuse to buy another can

So how it sounds to my ear and the elk or deers ear doesn't really matter that much to me. What I care most about are minimized length in front of barrel, weight, and dB reduction. I have, at best maybe 90* of the possible 210* of human field of view. So protecting my senses is now a huge priority for me. That's just me though.

I'll no doubt be looking at getting one of these. I was already planning another can purchase this year and it was sort between the nomad ti xc and a raptor 8 with a 5" reflex.

Side note question to you and @Formidilosus ... Does the suppressor cover make much difference in that perceived tone? I was thinking that one of those silicone sleeve covers might deaden the sound of the scythe a bit.

 

[Ryan Avery]

My take away from this whole discussion is does really it matter and if so is it even quantifiable?

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All of the sound-measuring experiments out there would say yes... But in the end, it's up to the individual, but I am going to get exactly what I want.

 

[realunlucky]

@Ryan Avery I have no doubt you have extensive exposure to more suppressors than I ever will.

Honestly since I don't know the variations of tones emitted it's hard to form an opinion one way or another.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with and how it compares to some of the few suppressor tones I can relate to.

 

[Clarktar]

Send suppressor. Keep that bag away from me.

 

[wind gypsy]

I think this thread is just more of an "overview" of what's happening with UM. My thoughts were, going into the weeds on suppressor "tone" in this particular thread isn't the correct place. Maybe wrongly so.

Everything is going exactly as expected.

 

[wysongdog]

Ok how bout more info on this scope?

 

[prm]

Ok how bout more info on this scope?

There is another thread for that!

 

[Dave0317]

More and more and more crap being force fed to the masses. Your stock doesn’t have enough negative comb. Your caliber is too big. Your scope didn’t pass a “drop test”. You’re can doesn’t have the best tone. AND come to our forum and we’ll tell you all about what you need!!!

I’m impressed this is the way they’ve chosen to monetize this forum. It’s def a crafty way to have done it, but I would personally rather have paid a fee than get more consumerism crap force down my throat.

https://shoot2hunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/S2H-Marketing-Booklet-1.pdf

They need to step up their game.

I’ve been on this forum for years, mostly lurking the Archery, trad archery, and elk sections, occasionally firearms. Somehow I didn’t know what a Rokstock was until late last year when I was researching rifles more so I could buy a youth gun.

Ended up enjoying the content I clicked on and learned a good bit. Never once felt forced to believe any particular thing. It’s good to read and then exercise your own judgment and logic to decide if something can benefit you or not. If not, it’s very easy to not buy it, not read it, don’t shoot the rifle drill, etc.

 

[omicron1792]

I shot my elk while a large herd was in a draw. Used a Raptor 8 with 5” reflex. None of the other elk moved. I had to wait over 30 minutes for the last elk to clear out before I could go get my elk.

I do agree different cans have different tones. Never really thought how it might affect the animals.

Here is a question. What will this can accomplish over the AB raptor?