UM/S2H/Suppressors/Scopes and More!

[yeti12]

This question of how animals react to different tones is not the primary goal of a suppressor. It might be a nice benefit that would be fun to test, but I’m more interested in how a suppressor affects my own shooting experience. I personally start pretty much in this order:
—noise and recoil reduction
—tone (for my own experience)
—weight/balance
—cost
—company stability/customer service

I’m glad to see more OTB cans getting made in the US. I think they have a lot of merit because you get the effect of a much longer can in a shorter overall profile and you do tend to get a much more pleasant tone. I would totally consider one of these, but would love to see a version that is optimized for 6mm and smaller. That said, I get that making a 30 cal first makes sense.

Look at kgm cans. I don't know why they aren't more popular.

 

[The Guide]

I'm speaking only from my personal experience, but I have witnessed it multiple times when I have doubled up on deer...and I know folks that I hunt with who have had similar experiences, even at close range. One hunt in particular that stands out in my mind was when I was less than 20 yards from two does standing, one in front of the other just a few feet apart. I shot one (unsuppressed .270 Win.) and she dropped. The other doe just stood there while I chambered another round. So, she did not even react to the sound of me working the bolt. I shot her while she was still standing there. This was in an area that had a lot of hunting pressure.

Mine is definitely a small sample size compared to yours, but it has happened "often" enough that I'm not really surprised when it does happen or when I hear reports of similar experiences from other hunters that I know. I have no explanation for it. I would think that shooting a .270 that close to a deer would scare the hell out of it.

I have no doubt that suppressed shots spook deer less frequently than unsuppressed shots, but there seem to be some variables other than just decibels/tone that contribute to how deer react...otherwise they would run every time when hearing an unsuppressed shot.

They just stand there when you've shot them unsuppressed because you blew their ears out and they are in shock. Everyone knows that.

Jay

 

[atmat]

but would love to see a version that is optimized for 6mm and smaller.

Does optimizing for caliber make a difference? I have seen two TBAC U7 shot on a 6creed, one their 30 cal and one their 6.5cal, and I couldn’t hear a difference.

Now that doesn’t mean there wasn’t a difference that my ears couldn’t discern. And it’s a tiny sample size. But that led me to believe optimizing doesn’t make much sense, and it’s just better to get a 30 cal

 

[Formidilosus]

This question of how animals react to different tones is not the primary goal of a suppressor. It might be a nice benefit that would be fun to test, but I’m more interested in how a suppressor affects my own shooting experience. I personally start pretty much in this order:
—noise and recoil reduction
—tone (for my own experience)
—weight/balance
—cost
—company stability/customer service

That’s good. The goals for this first can are:

1). Hearing safe- sub 140dB at shooters ear
2). Shortest added oal to rifle
3). Better balance to the rifle
4). Around 10oz or less
5). More of a hollow sound if possible.

 

[Formidilosus]

I thought I was crazy for trying to fit my OPS 12th to my chopped tikka for when I don’t want to carry my mk12……

Anybody done this? Hadn’t looked into it too much.

Yes. It works great- the issue is weight. The brake, collar, and can end up over 20oz added.

 

[rbutcher1234]

Yes. It works great- the issue is weight. The brake, collar, and can end up over 20oz added.

Any pics or recommendation on if the move is to have a custom collar made, or is something like the otter creek OTB adapter better? Might breathe new life into my 223 tikka.

 

[omicron1792]

Do you know what the weight of your raptor 8 with 5-in reflex is?

I don’t. I’ll try to weigh it soon. It’s big for sure, but light for its size. The reflex really spreads the weight across the barrel.

 

[omicron1792]

@Formidilosus I was thinking having this can as one piece does offer simplicity. However there will be some guns you won’t be able to use it on with the OTB portion. Mainly any AR. Also may be limited with some 16” barrel bolt rifles.

 

[WKR]

Does a reflex style can have any noticeable impact on recoil impulse over a traditional style?

 

[WyldGoose]

Question regarding OTB cans since I’ve never seen one up close…
Does the rearmost end of the can just float over the barrel(not making contact)?
And if so, are they just designed for the fattest OD barrels so they work with every contour?

 

[JF_Idaho]

I thought I was crazy for trying to fit my OPS 12th to my chopped tikka for when I don’t want to carry my mk12……

Anybody done this? Hadn’t looked into it too much.

Otter Creek makes an adapter with the shoulder built in. One with the brake and one without.

Otter Creek OPS/AE O.T.B. Adapter - Capitol Armory

<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>OTTER CREEK - OVER THE BARREL</strong></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: medium;">The Otter Creek Over the Barrel (OTB) adapter is made for the OCM5, AEM5, and Ops Inc 12th model. It's made from H900

www.capitolarmory.com

As Form said this would be a pretty heavy setup but audibly

 

[Formidilosus]

Any pics or recommendation on if the move is to have a custom collar made, or is something like the otter creek OTB adapter better? Might breathe new life into my 223 tikka.

No pics. But the OC OTB adapter is the way.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus I was thinking having this can as one piece does offer simplicity. However there will be some guns you won’t be able to use it on with the OTB portion. Mainly any AR. Also may be limited with some 16” barrel bolt rifles.

Yes. This is not a can for everything, everywhere. It is a hunting rifle can.

 

[ElPollo]

@Formidilosus I was thinking having this can as one piece does offer simplicity. However there will be some guns you won’t be able to use it on with the OTB portion. Mainly any AR. Also may be limited with some 16” barrel bolt rifles.

I suspect that ARs are one of the primary drivers for why OTB cans are less popular in the US. You can use them, but barrel length and hand guard selection is important.

 

[wesfromky]

I wonder if OCL will make more of their HUB - reflex adapter? From what I remember, they said it helped a little bit with db and back pressure, but that it maybe changed the tone a bit as well. Might be a sorta easy way to improve tone without buying a new can.

OPS/AE/OC HUB Reflex Adapter | Otter Creek Labs

Adapt your HUB blast diverter to OPS 12, AEM5, or OCM5 with this 6Al-4V titanium adapter. Lightweight, durable, and enhances suppressor performance. $215.00

ottercreeklabs.com

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

That’s good. The goals for this first can are:

1). Hearing safe- sub 140dB at shooters ear
2). Shortest added oal to rifle
3). Better balance to the rifle
4). Around 10oz or less
5). More of a hollow sound if possible.

Well this is the thread for this discussion then haha...

Numbers 2 and 3 are some of my favorite suppressor requirements I've seen in hunting/field rifles. You're going to get reduced recoil and noise by default in general, the others in this list are always an after thought.

 

[ElPollo]

That’s good. The goals for this first can are:

1). Hearing safe- sub 140dB at shooters ear
2). Shortest added oal to rifle
3). Better balance to the rifle
4). Around 10oz or less
5). More of a hollow sound if possible.

My intent wasn’t to be critical of the design. Just to say, tone is important to me no matter how animals respond to it. I agree that it looks like it will do well on a lot of my key points, and it will be a winner.

 

[HighUintas]

I wonder if OCL will make more of their HUB - reflex adapter? From what I remember, they said it helped a little bit with db and back pressure, but that it maybe changed the tone a bit as well. Might be a sorta easy way to improve tone without buying a new can.

OPS/AE/OC HUB Reflex Adapter | Otter Creek Labs

Adapt your HUB blast diverter to OPS 12, AEM5, or OCM5 with this 6Al-4V titanium adapter. Lightweight, durable, and enhances suppressor performance. $215.00

ottercreeklabs.com

I wonder if this could be used on a scythe since it has a hub rear cap.

 

[Formidilosus]

Well this is the thread for this discussion then haha...

Numbers 2 and 3 are some of my favorite suppressor requirements I've seen in hunting/field rifles. You're going to get reduced recoil and noise by default in general, the others in this list are always an after thought.

I agree obviously. Suppressors have been an afterthought for far too long on US rifles. Hang a big tube at the end and ignore everything else. Measure dB, maybe back pressure and ignore everything else. Cans should be thought of as apart of the rifle system- not an afterthought.

 

[Formidilosus]

My intent wasn’t to be critical of the design. Just to say, tone is important to me no matter how animals respond to it. I agree that it looks like it will do well on a lot of my key points, and it will be a winner.

Oh I didn’t think you were. I was saying that I agree with the logical task/desire list. Instead of only going off of weight, or only length- it’s the whole thing.