UM/S2H/Suppressors/Scopes and More!

[yeti12]

What about a supersonic bullet crack coming from a dull suppressor?

See, the thing about an object moving faster than the speed of sound is it will get to the target before the target hears the sound.

Suppressors make follow up shots much easier. If every kill was a 1 shot kill, suppressors wouldn't matter.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I like the suppressor discussion but maybe a dedicated thread could be started to avoid clogging this one with everyone's opinions on crack versus thud?

 

[Roor]

See, the thing about an object moving faster than the speed of sound is it will get to the target before the target hears the sound.

Suppressors make follow up shots much easier. If every kill was a 1 shot kill, suppressors wouldn't matter.

yea man I get it. I’ve been hunting suppressed for a while now.

My comment was more towards the idea that it doesn’t matter what the suppressor sounds like because there will still be a supersonic crack from the bullet, negating any benefit from “tone”.

 

[2buffalo]

I like the suppressor discussion but maybe a dedicated thread could be started to avoid clogging this one with everyone's opinions on crack versus thud?

Why? The thread is about suppressors among other things. Does it bother you?

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Why? The thread is about suppressors among other things. Does it bother you?

There are dedicated threads for the MRC rifle, the rokstok, the new scope, and I thought a dedicated thread will likely come for the suppressor as well is all.

I think this thread is just more of an "overview" of what's happening with UM. My thoughts were, going into the weeds on suppressor "tone" in this particular thread isn't the correct place. Maybe wrongly so.

 

[HighUintas]

There are dedicated threads for the MRC rifle, the rokstok, the new scope, and I thought a dedicated thread will likely come for the suppressor as well is all.

I think this thread is just more of an "overview" of what's happening with UM. My thoughts were, going into the weeds on suppressor "tone" in this particular thread isn't the correct place. Maybe wrongly so.

I agree. But those threads don't exist yet. There's nowhere else for the pent up cult excitement to be released.

I say this in jest. I love the Kool aid. It tastes good to me

 

[Wiscgunner]

I just have a hard time believing animals are reacting differently to different suppressor "tones". All bullets will have a "crack" if they are supersonic. Does this negate a better tone from 350 yards away?

It is my understanding the bullet crack does not matter because it has not location. The "crack" is happening along the flight of the bullet making it very difficult to tell where it came from. Now the sound of the suppressor is stationary thus locatable. This is why the offensiveness of the suppressor sound may matter.

 

[ndlawrence]

It is my understanding the bullet crack does not matter because it has not location. The "crack" is happening along the flight of the bullet making it very difficult to tell where it came from. No the sound of the suppressor is stationary thus locatable. This is why the offensiveness of the suppressor sound matters.

The “crack”, aka sonic boom, definitely has a physical location at which the bullet becomes supersonic, and that sound wave then propagates from that physical location to the observer.

 

[Formidilosus]

Care to share some your footage? I have a hard time believing tone has much effect on animals as well, but hard evidence is more definitive.

How would that be hard evidence? I could make up it being any can I want. Or just cherry pick them.

If you actually believe that all noises at the exact same dB level “sound” the same, and elicit the same response from living things... ok. You live it every single day. That’s why the music in your ear buds is as shocking as glass breaking- because they sound “the same”.

If that is you stance, there is no amount of empirical evidence or discussion that will break through that.

 

[5811]

The “crack”, aka sonic boom, definitely has a physical location at which the bullet becomes supersonic, and that sound wave then propagates from that physical location to the observer.

I was under the impression the sonic boom travels as a compressed wave with the projectile, i.e., if you are downrange the difference in time from when you hear each sound is proportional to the distance from the original blast.

The further from the muzzle blast you are, the larger the delay from when you hear the crack to the boom.

 

[Formidilosus]

Formie, come on, if someone came at you with this argument, you'd tear them apart.

Would I? Do you believe this is the first time I’ve had this conversation?



Here- we’ll make it simple, clear, and logical:

Do all sounds at exactly the same Db level, sound exactly the same? Do they all sound as “loud”? It’s a yes or no question, then we can move to the next.

 

[Formidilosus]

What about a supersonic bullet crack coming from a dull suppressor?

What is your experience with bullets going past you by a couple of feet from suppressed gun shots? Do all the gun shots all sound the same, from all suppressors?

 

[Formidilosus]

It is my understanding the bullet crack does not matter because it has not location. The "crack" is happening along the flight of the bullet making it very difficult to tell where it came from. Now the sound of the suppressor is stationary thus locatable. This is why the offensiveness of the suppressor sound may matter.

hmmmm.

 

[Formidilosus]

The “crack”, aka sonic boom, definitely has a physical location at which the bullet becomes supersonic, and that sound wave then propagates from that physical location to the observer.

Sure. Where does that happen in relation to the “observer”?

 

[Roor]

What is your experience with bullets going past you by a couple of feet from suppressed gun shots? Do all the gun shots all sound the same, from all suppressors?

Let’s say my experience is zero for the sake of argument. Can you answer my question first?

 

[HighUintas]

The “crack”, aka sonic boom, definitely has a physical location at which the bullet becomes supersonic, and that sound wave then propagates from that physical location to the observer.

No this is not correct.

I was under the impression the sonic boom travels as a compressed wave with the projectile, i.e., if you are downrange the difference in time from when you hear each sound is proportional to the distance from the original blast.

The further from the muzzle blast you are, the larger the delay from when you hear the crack to the boom.

Yes this is correct.

You hear the sonic boom when the pressure wave travels passed you. It depends on where you are in relation to the bullet passing by as to when you'll hear it. If you are not standing in front of the muzzle where the bullet will pass by, the sonic crack you'll hear is only the crack after it has reflected back.

The faster the object is travelling passed you, the more delay there will be in you hearing the crack

 

[Roor]

Would I? Do you believe this is the first time I’ve had this conversation?



Here- we’ll make it simple, clear, and logical:

Do all sounds at exactly the same Db level, sound exactly the same? Do they all sound as “loud”? It’s a yes or no question, then we can move to the next.

”trust me bro… our tone won’t scare away the animals”

lol

 

[Formidilosus]

Let’s say my experience is zero for the sake of argument. Can you answer my question first?

Ok. To answer your question, I need to understand what you are actually asking.

What do you mean by “supersonic bullet crack coming from a dull suppressor”?

 

[Formidilosus]

This isn’t the argument at at

”trust me bro… our tone won’t scare away the animals”

lol

Yes that’s exactly what wrote.

 

[Roor]

Ok. To answer your question, I need to understand what you are actually asking.

What do you mean by “supersonic bullet crack coming from a dull suppressor”?

I guess the point I was making is that at some distance… whether it’s 200,300,400 yards etc the bullet will be louder than the suppressed shot from the animals point of view.

If that’s true, then does “tone” even matter at 350 yards.