UM/S2H/Suppressors/Scopes and More!

[The Guide]

That doesn’t help. The website assumes the reader knows what they are writing about. I have a suppressor that threads on the end of the muzzle. It has some different adapters for various threads. It makes it quiet so I don’t need ear muffs and reduces recoil. What’s the difference?

This should help...

Jay

 

[dailyherold]

That’s good. The goals for this first can are:

1). Hearing safe- sub 140dB at shooters ear
2). Shortest added oal to rifle
3). Better balance to the rifle
4). Around 10oz or less
5). More of a hollow sound if possible.

This list is great. The only other characteristic that I felt was important in my recent suppressor purchase (CAT JL/Alleycat 308) was consistency of first shot measurements relative to all subsequent shots in a string.

Pewscience takes aside, they refer to it as "first-round-pop" (FRP). Some cans have a divergence on that first round measurement, which to my simple mind, seemed suboptimal for hunting...and ears.

@Formidilosus, curious with your experience and all the testing y'all have done on cans, if "FRP" is even noticeable in the field? And if so, was it factored into the design of this UM suppressor?

 

[gbflyer]

Got it. Reflex is a flashy term for over barrel. I thought it must be something new.

 

[Chris_in_Idaho]

These discussions are enjoyable. You can own multiple suppressors that have similar decibel levels but produce very different sounds. For instance, consider the Ultra 7 and the Raptor 8 Stack (No Reflex). While both are comparable in decibels, most people who have heard them prefer the AB. I don't own any suppressor companies, but when asked to assist in designing one, I want it to be as short as possible in front of the muzzle, hearing safe, and produce a hollow sound. I don't think Form and I are alone in wanting a can like this.

@Ryan Avery
How about putting together a Post Falls Suppressor Summit where some of us poors who only have a single suppressor can come compare the sound of different ones?
Maybe it could be a session at this year's HAHA?

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus, curious with your experience and all the testing y'all have done on cans, if "FRP" is even noticeable in the field? And if so, was it factored into the design of this UM suppressor?

First round pop is a thing. But, I can’t say that any of the normal cans I use or are around have a noticeable FRP. IIRC the only “hunting” can that had a noticeable FRP was the Gunwerks can.

 

[Plague]

Got it. Reflex is a flashy term for over barrel. I thought it must be something new.

Not always, at least one can that I know of is a reflex style but not over the barrel.

 

[BjornF16]

First round pop is a thing. But, I can’t say that any of the normal cans I use or are around have a noticeable FRP. IIRC the only “hunting” can that had a noticeable FRP was the Gunwerks can.

What can are y'all trying to meet/exceed in performance?

 

[Formidilosus]

What can are y'all trying to meet/exceed in performance?

We’re not trying to “beat” any can.


These are the design goals:

1). Hearing safe- sub 140dB at shooters ear
2). Shortest added oal to rifle
3). Better balance to the rifle
4). Around 10oz or less
5). More of a hollow sound if possible.


The way to get there is an OTB Ti suppressor.

 

[LCV]

We’re not trying to “beat” any can.


These are the design goals:

1). Hearing safe- sub 140dB at shooters ear
2). Shortest added oal to rifle
3). Better balance to the rifle
4). Around 10oz or less
5). More of a hollow sound if possible.


The way to get there is an OTB Ti suppressor.

Something I’ve wondered as an auto enthusiast.

Titanium exhausts tend to sound “tinny” or higher pitched compared to steel exhausts. Have you observed any noteworthy difference in Ti vs steel suppressors in this regard?

I assume not, or not enough to matter since you’re going with titanium.

 

[z987k]

Some of the earlier hunting cans were aluminum tubes with the first baffle or 2 stainless and the rest aluminum. Those cans are still at or lighter than a lot of titanium cans.

 

[JakeSCH]

Two suppressors can have identical max dB numbers, but one sounds dramatically better. At the same dB, most people prefer a more hollow sound. For instance: OPS Inc 12th model sounds better behind the muzzle, beside it, and especially in front of it-than other cans that have the same dB or even lower. Animals react differently to cans that have more of a “CRACK” sound, than they do from cans that have a more “WOOOMMMFFF” sound.

What they mean by “chasing tone, not decibels” is just that- under 140dB, and better sounding at shorter OAL. It’s not going to be a magical can- just what we personally want, and what in my view should have been all along in the US.

I would love if they could get categorized as a rifle sound toner so we can use them in CA. Lol

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I would love if they could get categorized as a rifle sound toner so we can use them in CA. Lol

It's just a really large barrel profile that deadens sound, you're good to go.

 

[Procision Arms]

Aside from the suppressors, any more information about the ballpark price of the Raven action? Trying to decide if I need to pick up another tikka donor or wait it out.

I’m a bit biased, but I think it will be worth waiting for.

There’s a podcast coming out soon with some more info and history behind it, but I believe the targeted price will be very competitive for what the receiver adds.

I’m sure there will be some more updates coming soon.

 

[HighUintas]

I’m a bit biased, but I think it will be worth waiting for.

There’s a podcast coming out soon with some more info and history behind it, but I believe the targeted price will be very competitive for what the receiver adds.

I’m sure there will be some more updates coming soon.

700 or Tikka footprint?

 

[Procision Arms]

700 or Tikka footprint?

Tikka

 

[diverc18]

I’m a bit biased, but I think it will be worth waiting for.

There’s a podcast coming out soon with some more info and history behind it, but I believe the targeted price will be very competitive for what the receiver adds.

I’m sure there will be some more updates coming soon.

Awesome, that was exactly what I was looking for. Looking forward to the podcast

 

[walk2112]

Seconded

second the seconding

 

[HighUintas]

Tikka

Mini action! mini action! mini action! mini action!

 

[HandgunHTR]

Something I’ve wondered as an auto enthusiast.

Titanium exhausts tend to sound “tinny” or higher pitched compared to steel exhausts. Have you observed any noteworthy difference in Ti vs steel suppressors in this regard?

I assume not, or not enough to matter since you’re going with titanium.

I have Ti, Steel, and Aluminum suppressors. I find that that the Ti suppressors do tend to be a bit higher in pitch when the designs are similar. That being said, since I have lost a good bit of my high frequency hearing, the Ti suppressors sound more "dead" to me personally, so I gravitate towards them.

 

[Brontosaurus]

Mini action! mini action! mini action! mini action!

Seconded