The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[HighUintas]

Yes the ones Form mentioned are the only ones there are multiple reports of it happening. I decided to not use the 147s for that reason, but I wouldn't worry about any others.

 

[bojangles808]

This has been known. I have stated for 5+ years that ELD-M’s are not AMAX’s now. Due to the small nose opening, and tip material- every once in a while some ELD-M’s produce narrow wounds- primarily the 22cal 88gr, 6.5 147gr, and 7mm 180gr. Not all of them, and certainly not regularly- Barnes TTSX fail to open orders of magnitude more often for instance. But it is something to be aware of.

interesting. what might be different from 6.5mm 147 vs a 140 that would cause the inconsistencies?

 

[Formidilosus]

Would the 140gr 6.5 ELDM be less likely to do this?

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It is less likely- and it and the 130gr are the 6.5mm ELD-M’s that I would choose. But every rare once in a while it can also produce wounds smaller than normal.

 

[Formidilosus]

interesting. what might be different from 6.5mm 147 vs a 140 that would cause the inconsistencies?

The jacket right at the nose is slightly thicker on the 147gr, and the longer, sleeker nose exaggerates the issue when the tip breaks off blocking nose opening.

 

[grfox92]

It is less likely- and it and the 130gr are the 6.5mm ELD-M’s that I would choose. But every rare once in a while it can also produce wounds smaller than normal.

And this isn't an issue in 130TMKs?

Im currently running 140 ELDm in my PRS gun, I'm about to turn it into a hunting/ match gun hybrid with a Bravo and want to find the best bullet combo that would be suitable for both hunting and matches that way I'm only buying and loading for 1 set up for the mass majority of my shooting.

Would a 130 TMK be the right choice? Im not convinced the ELDM isn't, but why not do everything to minimize error?

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[jonpall]

The jacket right at the nose is slightly thicker on the 147gr, and the longer, sleeker nose exaggerates the issue when the tip breaks off blocking nose opening.

Is it the same with the 88 vs 80?

 

[Formidilosus]

And this isn't an issue in 130TMKs?

No. Not even remotely. First, the nose opening of TMK’s is MUCH larger under the tip. Second, there is a void of lead in the nose of TMK’s, unlike most ELD-M’s where the lead surrounds the shaft of the tip completely. Lastly, the tip material in TMK’s squishes/or squirts out; ELD-M’s usually break off leaving the shaft of the tip in the nose.

Im currently running 140 ELDm in my PRS gun, I'm about to turn it into a hunting/ match gun hybrid with a Bravo and want to find the best bullet combo that would be suitable for both hunting and matches that way I'm only buying and loading for 1 set up for the mass majority of my shooting.

Would a 130 TMK be the right choice? Im not convinced the ELDM isn't, but why not do everything to minimize error?

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The 140gr ELD-M kill fine. But there are no current bullets that create wounds like TMK’s and as consistently.

 

[grfox92]

No. Not even remotely. First, the nose opening of TMK’s is MUCH larger under the tip. Second, there is a void of lead in the nose of TMK’s, unlike most ELD-M’s where the lead surrounds the shaft of the tip completely. Lastly, the tip material in TMK’s squishes/or squirts out; ELD-M’s usually break off leaving the shaft of the tip in the nose.





The 140gr ELD-M kill fine. But there are no current bullets that create wounds like TMK’s and as consistently.

Ok, last question, I know every gun will be different but how to TMKs compare to ELDs in terms of accuracy and consistency?

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[Harvey_NW]

Ok, last question, I know every gun will be different but how to TMKs compare to ELDs in terms of accuracy and consistency?

My rifle shoots 140 TGK and 143 ELD-X the same, sub MOA 10 shot groups.

 

[grfox92]

My rifle shoots 140 TGK and 143 ELD-X the same, sub MOA 10 shot groups.

I know Berger is known to be more consistent lot to lot and on overall bullet length. But I wasn't sure about Sierra. ELDMs can vary pretty significantly even out of the same box. That's just on a caliper tip to base. Not sure about to the ogive.

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[Formidilosus]

Ok, last question, I know every gun will be different but how to TMKs compare to ELDs in terms of accuracy and consistency?

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130gr TMK’s generally shoot well in nearly all guns. Haven’t seen much issue with either in 6.5mm.

 

[Schmo]

Ok, last question, I know every gun will be different but how to TMKs compare to ELDs in terms of accuracy and consistency?

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The 130 TMK is absolutely nasty on game. It wrecks stuff. As Form said, it’s accurate as well

 

[grfox92]

The 130 TMK is absolutely nasty on game. It wrecks stuff. As Form said, it’s accurate as well

Any issues with closer range shots? Like Fuds talk about them just grenading at closer range?

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[Schmo]

Any issues with closer range shots? Like Fuds talk about them just grenading at closer range?

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Haven’t been around them on anything closer than 100-200 yards, but I wouldn’t expect an issue

 

[grfox92]

Haven’t been around them on anything closer than 100-200 yards, but I wouldn’t expect an issue

I have yet to kill anything under 200 yards so whatever .

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[Schmo]

I have yet to kill anything under 200 yards so whatever .

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. I’ve have only been around it being shot from a 6.5 PRC, so a 100-200 yard impact would be similar to a Creed MV

 

[Formidilosus]

Any issues with closer range shots? Like Fuds talk about them just grenading at closer range?

“Grenade” as in not penetrating deep enough to reach vitals? No, that is myth and BS. 130gr 6.5mm do not only penetrate 2”.

 

[TradLife406]

Any issues with closer range shots? Like Fuds talk about them just grenading at closer range?

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50 yards with an impact of 2927 with a 77 tmk. Frontal. Ha definitely didn't "grenade" or fail. Punched through and caused enough shock that the heart was limp even though it wasn't directly hit.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Any issues with closer range shots? Like Fuds talk about them just grenading at closer range?

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Not in the slightest. I’ve killed with 77, 95, and 130 all under 50 yards with multiple big game kills each. They do their thing.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

The jacket right at the nose is slightly thicker on the 147gr, and the longer, sleeker nose exaggerates the issue when the tip breaks off blocking nose opening.

This tracks along with how you state that there are always tradeoffs, ie. chasing the highest B.C. bullet for a chosen caliber will lead to a projectile with a long, skinny, nose that contributes to a high B.C., yet those same characteristics do not lend to low impact velocity expansion & the wound channels that most are looking for.

The TMK’s excellent terminal ballistics, ie wider nose and larger hollow point, will never allow it to match the same B.C. as an ELD-M or Match Burner.

Is this a correct summation?