The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[Moose83]

Left is MRC 308. Right is Tikka 308 with fixed 6x Mark 4.
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Tikka 308 with 10x Mark 4, R700 with 6x Mark 4-
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Left is Tikka 308 with SWFA 10x. Right is BAT 308 with March.
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Top is HH 308 with Zeiss LRP S3, bottom is Tikka 308 with SWFA fixed 10x (starting to be a trend it seems).
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Even Ryan secretly likes them-
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Which reticle is in that Mark 4 fixed 6x?

 

[Formidilosus]

Which reticle is in that Mark 4 fixed 6x?

Which one? One has a mildot, one a duplex.

 

[Formidilosus]

What weight is optimal?

For pure shooting, the heavier the better. 12-13lbs however makes a shootable gun.

 

[Moose83]

Which one? One has a mildot, one a duplex.

Either... was just curious. Are you holding over or do you take the elevation turret cap off while hunting?

 

[Outdoorsman12b]

For pure shooting, the heavier the better. 12-13lbs however makes a shootable gun.

Holy smokes. Only way to get there is a chassis I guess?

 

[Formidilosus]

Either... was just curious. Are you holding over or do you take the elevation turret cap off while hunting?

The turret is meant for dialing, yes.

 

[Formidilosus]

Holy smokes. Only way to get there is a chassis I guess?

Barrel weight, chassis, scopes, etc.

 

[Wiscgunner]

Top is HH 308 with Zeiss LRP S3, bottom is Tikka 308 with SWFA fixed 10x (starting to be a trend it seems).
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Is that an MDT Field Stock/Chassis? How does it compare the KRG Bravo?

 

[Dobermann]

Is that an MDT Field Stock/Chassis? How does it compare the KRG Bravo?

I'm not Form, but pretty sure he's said elsewhere it's not as good.

I seem to recall it being heavier.

Could be worth a keyword search by author to see what you can find before Form replies.

 

[Ferrulewax]

Is that an MDT Field Stock/Chassis? How does it compare the KRG Bravo?

I'm not Form, but pretty sure he's said elsewhere it's not as good.

I seem to recall it being heavier.

Could be worth a keyword search by author to see what you can find before Form replies.

Found it, per Form:


“Forend is a noodle, grip is contoured poorly, comb is thin and sharp, toe is thin and hard to hold onto- overall probably the poorest shooting “modern stock” on the market.

In a heavy 308 the comb would bruise your cheek in sub 100 rounds. The grip is shaped Terribly and wants to roll, torque and move. The toe is so thin that legitimately controlling the back of the gun is difficult in lots of positions. The foreend is objectively about as stable as a Ruger American stock.
In less than a hundred rounds my only thought was “did they not have anyone shoot this design before selling it?”. And it wasn’t just me- 4-5 others despised it and had the same issues.”

 

[Formidilosus]

Is that an MDT Field Stock/Chassis? How does it compare the KRG Bravo?

See @Ferrulewax post just above this. It was probably the poorest experience I and the others that shot it have had with a “legit” aftermarket stock- a couple people refused to shoot the rifle after their first magazine or two.

It’s like someone looked at a KRG Bravo, changed some things so it wasn’t a complete copy, never shot it to test, then somehow came up with a worse stock in every demonstrable way.

 

[Hondo64d]

Everyone should have a well setup 308.

As @NSI stated:

1). Absolutely predictable and consistent. Set it up correctly, zero it, true it, and it remains the same for longer than most people’s lives.

2). Available everywhere. Excellent ammo is extremely common. It has the most consistent factory ammo of any cartridge, and it’s widely available- Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr and 175gr SMK. You can take FGMM 168gr from 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago, and today, and all will be inside a 1.5” dot at 100 yards.

3). 50 state legal.

4). Terminally effective with several bullets/loads to 600’ish yards, and past 700 yards with a few.

5). Recoil is light enough that a trained shooter can use it very well in a moderate weight rifle.

5). Trace/splash is large enough to consistently spot past 900 yards.




The 308w does recoil more than optimum. However it is low enough that nearly anyone can learn to shoot it well with a suppressor or muzzle brake. It is boringly consistent and you don’t have to worry about barrel life and being “gentle”- it likes abuse. You don’t have to worry about zero changing due to barrel condition- never clean it, and the zero stays the same from 50’ish rounds to… near forever.
Through the entire 10k plus barrel life MV’s stay the same. Data stays the same. Zero stays the same.

A simple, correctly setup, bomb proof 308 is one rifle people should have, that they never futz with.

Pretty much every reason I had Jon Beanland put together another .308 for me.

Aero Precision Solus action.
Bartlein 3b finished at 20”
AG Composite Adjustable Hunter
Triggertech trigger
SWFA SS 10x HD

Not fussy at all. Puts 10 rounds in 1 MOA with pretty much any load I put in it. In a previous .308, 44gr Varget behind a 185gr Berger Classic Hunter shot very well for me. Don’t have any Classic Hunters on hand, so used the same powder and charge behind a 185gr HVLD loaded to magazine length and produced the below ten shot group. Averaged 2662 from the 20” barrel with no excess pressure signs. Hard to not like a well put together .308…

John

 

[Formidilosus]

Pretty much every reason I had Jon Beanland put together another .308 for me.

Aero Precision Solus action.
Bartlein 3b finished at 20”
AG Composite Adjustable Hunter
Triggertech trigger
SWFA SS 10x HD

Not fussy at all. Puts 10 rounds in 1 MOA with pretty much any load I put in it. In a previous .308, 44gr Varget behind a 185gr Berger Classic Hunter shot very well for me. Don’t have any Classic Hunters on hand, so used the same powder and charge behind a 185gr HVLD loaded to magazine length and produced the below ten shot group. Averaged 2662 from the 20” barrel with no excess pressure signs. Hard to not like a well put together .308…

John

That’s exactly the idea.

 

[Hondo64d]

More on the .308…. They are just so eager to please. I ordered some Berger 168gr Classic Hunters to try, as I had very good results from them in a previous .308. Also picked up a jug of N150. It is much more affordable than Varget and everything I’ve read about it says it performs well in the .308, particularly with heavier bullets. The burn rate charts put it close to H4350, but those who’ve used it claim it’s much closer to Varget, maybe just slightly slower burning. Anyway, as you can see, the combo is very stable. Any one of the four charges would be fine. All are 10 round groups. I’m going to go with the 45.2gr charge. 9 of the ten shots went into .445” and 8 of the ten went into .287”. Gotta love a good .308!

John

 

[4th_point]

Besides the barrel life/stability, some high volume shooters still prefer a .308 for:

1. Trace with a .308 bullet can be easier to see than smaller diameters
2. The relatively slow retained velocity can make it easier for spotter to see bullet trace to begin with
3. Even if the shooter doesn't see bullet trace, the longer TOF may allow the shooter to see splash that might be missed with faster, higher BC loadings
4. There's enough recoil to keep you on your toes, but it's not punishing

People used to recommend shooting a 308 to "improve wind reading" but I think there's more to it than that.

A 16" 308 with can has been an unexpected favorite of mine the past few years but it's obviously not for everyone.

 

[Wrangler13]

6 saum brass would be great, not wanting to have to fire form for the 6um. 6 saum will be my next rifle

 

[gabenzeke]

So it sounds like @Ryan Avery is building a 6cm to shoot the dtacs. Curious what the barrel length will be and what you think your effective range will be? I'm definitely going to build a 6mm, but would really prefer to not need a magnum bolt face. But also want to shoot suppressed and still have velocity to be lethal to 600 or further if possible. If I can't get that out of a 6 cm or 243, I may go to a 6 prc but really don't want to do that.

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[Formidilosus]

So it sounds like @Ryan Avery is building a 6cm to shoot the dtacs. Curious what the barrel length will be and what you think your effective range will be? I'm definitely going to build a 6mm, but would really prefer to not need a magnum bolt face. But also want to shoot suppressed and still have velocity to be lethal to 600 or further if possible. If I can't get that out of a 6 cm or 243, I may go to a 6 prc but really don't want to do that.

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I’m not sure what you mean? Ryan has, and has had multiple 6cm’s.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

So it sounds like @Ryan Avery is building a 6cm to shoot the dtacs. Curious what the barrel length will be and what you think your effective range will be? I'm definitely going to build a 6mm, but would really prefer to not need a magnum bolt face. But also want to shoot suppressed and still have velocity to be lethal to 600 or further if possible. If I can't get that out of a 6 cm or 243, I may go to a 6 prc but really don't want to do that.

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What action? If a tikka a 6-284 would fit the action length well.

 

[gabenzeke]

What action? If a tikka a 6-284 would fit the action length well.

Will be Tikka. Would prefer to stay away from wildcats, otherwise I'd just go with 6 prc or um

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