The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

[gr8fuldoug]

Our web builder has gotten these new Leupold Mark 4 Riflescopes onto our web site and we are accepting preorders.

 

[Buzby]

Optic manufacturers have actual scientific ways to impact test optics that are far more consistent and controlled tests than throwing it on the ground.

Then why are there so many fragile scopes?
I think a lot of them test for complete failure, not zero loss.

Who is throwing rifles? I’d like to see those tests.

 

[keystone112]

I’ll wager they are testing for recoil, not side impact.

 

[Mschroeder40]

If someone will send me a rifle and optic I will give it a fling and video it! I will verify that the weapon is safe and clear first lol

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Then why are there so many fragile scopes?
I think a lot of them test for complete failure, not zero loss.

Who is throwing rifles? I’d like to see those tests.

Scopes aren’t fragile because they fail flawed tests. Scopes also aren’t hammers, if you want one of those go to Lowe’s and buy an estwing.

 

[prm]

Optic manufacturers have actual scientific ways to impact test optics that are far more consistent and controlled tests than throwing it on the ground.

Perhaps the potential, but do they actually do that? The only thing Leupold does that I am aware of is the the ‘punisher’ which only tests recoil.

Edit: I have zero doubt that Leupold could build a more durable scope if they chose to. I don’t know of they have chosen to. At some point the decision to build a more robust hunting scope will be in the best interest of the shareholders (that’s a message for Bruce Pettet).

 

[ljalberta]

Optic manufacturers have actual scientific ways to impact test optics that are far more consistent and controlled tests than throwing it on the ground.

Just because a test is consistent or controlled, it doesn’t mean it’s useful. They can test it consistently in a controlled setting for impacts based on a butterfly impacting the scope during its erratic flight, but that sure isn’t very useful. Field guns get field use, which means they can bang around, get dropped, vibrate, etc. The drop test is useful not because it’s perfectly consistent or utterly controlled from drop to drop, but because it actually reflects applicable real world information.

Not everyone cares about zero retention, or uses their rifles enough to notice loss of zero, or puts their rifles through solid use. So that’s fine, but the idea that some people think Leupold is testing these things in a way to ensure they have zero retention in the field is laughable. The proof is in the pudding. The vast majority of Leupold models don’t hold zero.

 

[knale87]

Optic manufacturers have actual scientific ways to impact test optics that are far more consistent and controlled tests than throwing it on the ground.

Trust the science

 

[atmat]

Scopes aren’t fragile because they fail flawed tests. Scopes also aren’t hammers, if you want one of those go to Lowe’s and buy an estwing.

People need to stop responding to this guy. He’s a known troll.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Just because a test is consistent or controlled, it doesn’t mean it’s useful. They can test it consistently in a controlled setting for impacts based on a butterfly impacting the scope during its erratic flight, but that sure isn’t very useful. Field guns get field use, which means they can bang around, get dropped, vibrate, etc. The drop test is useful not because it’s perfectly consistent or utterly controlled from drop to drop, but because it actually reflects applicable real world information.

Not everyone cares about zero retention, or uses their rifles enough to notice loss of zero, or puts their rifles through solid use. So that’s fine, but the idea that some people think Leupold is testing these things in a way to ensure they have zero retention in the field is laughable. The proof is in the pudding. The vast majority of Leupold models don’t hold zero.

The idea that some people think Leupold isn’t impact testing their optics is also laughable.

I don’t know how many Leupold scopes I’ve owned but it’s a lot. I have never once had one not hold zero. It’s funny that this is the only thing that’s brought up and usually by people who have no idea that there are a lot of dynamics that can cause a rifle system to not hold zero or not be properly zerod in the first place.

 

[ljalberta]

The idea that some people think Leupold isn’t impact testing their optics is also laughable.

I don’t know how many Leupold scopes I’ve owned but it’s a lot. I have never once had one not hold zero. It’s funny that this is the only thing that’s brought up and usually by people who have no idea that there are a lot of dynamics that can cause a rifle system to not hold zero or not be properly zerod in the first place.

Again, they can be impact testing them. But that does not mean it’s a useful test for real world field use. What is the impact test that Leupold does showing for real world use?

And that is excellent that all your Leupold’s have held zero. I used to have a few Leupolds but sold them all as I would constantly be having to adjust zero at the range. I prefer scopes and mounting systems that once I set, I never have had to adjust zero from year to year or even range session to range session.

As noted before, not everyone’s use of a rifle will show a zero loss or cause a zero loss.

 

[Mschroeder40]

I believe everyone here wants Leopold to work. I know I do. But seriously they haven't had the best track record no pun intended in tracking or holding zero with their optics for many years. We just want them to actually put out a product that is as reliable as their competitors. Listen to the customer.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I ******* love the magic of rokslide, it’s the only place where a Leupold can’t hold zero and a Tikka can’t break or even wear out a barrel apparently. What a fairytale land and some of you are puzzled why I call it a cult.

 

[Mschroeder40]

If it ain't Leopold I ain't shootin it. My $700 dollar tikka is better than any custom gunsmith rifle. Talk about cultish narrow minded.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

If it ain't SWFA I ain't shootin it. My $700 dollar tikka is better than any custom gunsmith rifle. Talk about cultish narrow minded.

Fixed it for you.

The results of inexperience are pretty phenomenal really.

 

[Macintosh]

Dont disagree on the cultishness of some of this. Regardless, there is some serious irony in claiming a pattern of failure in an item that most folks arent having issues with, at the same time as dismissing the pattern of failure others are having with a different item.

 

[Mschroeder40]

I don't care what optic it is as long as the specs are what I want and it works. I don't and probably never will own a SWFA scope they just don't fit my needs. I really like Leupold Specs but they miss the mark alot on reliability same with Vortex. I have owned both.

 

[ljalberta]

I ******* love the magic of rokslide, it’s the only place where a Leupold can’t hold zero and a Tikka can’t break or even wear out a barrel apparently. What a fairytale land and some of you are puzzled why I call it a cult.

This isn’t even remotely true. There are reports on all major forums of Leupold failures to hold zero. Most people don’t even recognize it’s a problem though. For me, checking zero and making a minor adjustment for years was just standard practice before hunting season.

I still see this every year with a huge number of hunters I know. Making a tweak to their zero after a hunt with it riding in an atv. Or making a tweak to their zero on their first range trip after or before hunting season.

Just because most people aren’t aware of the issue it doesn’t mean it’s not an issue.

 

[MuleyFever]

I ******* love the magic of rokslide, it’s the only place where a Leupold can’t hold zero and a Tikka can’t break or even wear out a barrel apparently. What a fairytale land and some of you are puzzled why I call it a cult.

Sounds like you are in a different version of the same fairytale. Ever single forum is littered with posts of Leupold failures yet you are still in the same cult of denial.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

This isn’t even remotely true. There are reports on all major forums of Leupold failures to hold zero. Most people don’t even recognize it’s a problem though. For me, checking zero and making a minor adjustment for years was just standard practice before hunting season.

I still see this every year with a huge number of hunters I know. Making a tweak to their zero after a hunt with it riding in an atv. Or making a tweak to their zero on their first range trip after or before hunting season.

Just because most people aren’t aware of the issue it doesn’t mean it’s not an issue.

It's not though, it's certainly not on snipershide.

I don't know you or your abilities or knowledge, but I have seen shooters and hunters at the range and I've talked to thousands of "rifleman" and 99% of the time when something is going wrong it's something caused by the shooter and not the equipment regardless of what brand has been on it.

What I know is that I've had a lot of Leupolds and I have never experienced this phenomenon and my luck isn't that damn good. I've sent older Leupolds back for canted reticles and a couple older Mark 4's and VX3's for not not tracking, but I have never ever had one lose it's zero. Never.