The All New MRC/S2H Marshall Rifle Now Available

[huntnful]

@huntnful , I bet it will happen at some point. My Tikka trigger went haywire after a couple days of hunting in freezing rain/snow. Left it outside of my tent overnight both nights under a tree so as to not cause condensation inside the gun. The firing pin would release when closing the bolt... It seemed there was ice in the trigger spring cavity not allowing the trigger sear to be properly engaged. It took at least 45 minutes to ert it working properly. I had an aftermarket trigger spring in it with it set to about 1.5lb. I think, but not sure, that it would have been prevented or at least easier/faster to get it working if I'd had the factory trigger spring in it since it's stronger and may have held the trigger in proper position. But, I'll never know for sure unless I duplicate the event.

It will eventually get you!

Good info! I was actually thinking how I’ve spent a decent amount time hunting in cold snowy conditions, but not actually shooting in them. So basically my guns could have been locked up at any point, but there wasn’t an animal that I wanted to kill present… so I never even knew anyways.

 

[HighUintas]

Good info! I was actually thinking how I’ve spent a decent amount time hunting in cold snowy conditions, but not actually shooting in them. So basically my guns could have been locked up at any point, but there wasn’t an animal that I wanted to kill present… so I never even knew anyways.

The only reason I found the issue was because it was a particularly nasty night and my rifle was covered with ice and snow. I decided to work the bolt and trigger when I was about to leave camp to check function.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

I can be a counterpoint to that. In the last three hunting seasons alone, I have had two R700 triggers/rifles fail on hunts due to cold/freezing temps/snow. Only once while practicing in that same time frame.

#1- 4 days into a backpack hunt with temps hitting -10* or so at night. Rifle was locked up when I went to shoot a bull. Ended up pulling the bolt and keeping it in my jacket to warm it enough to function.

#2- Hunting with a Rokslider on a very late season hunt (January). We belly crawled the final 30 or so yards through the snow to get into position, then waited for a shot opportunity. It took hammering the bolt open by hand, then cycling 15-20x to get it freed up enough to shoot.

It could also be said that I am not the smartest when it comes to (staying out of) cold weather. I ended up laying in 18" of snow for an hour this year waiting on a herd to feed into a place where I could shoot one. With completely numb fingers, I short-stroked the bolt and got a fun double feed after my first shot. Still haven't regained feeling a month later in three of those fingers.

Your handle sums up your post nicely

 

[ElPollo]

I keep being told “I’ve never”, and yet every single time people show up with them, failures happen. First day of class this week- a BAT had a failure to feed on round 2, and a failure to eject on round 18. The shooter cleared the case very quickly, but it still did it. We had them leave the bolt back, and ejection port up while it was snowing. One guy didn’t know or blow out any of the snow in the action (it was nearly full), and chambered it. That compressed the snow and made it basically ice in the lug area. Took a bit of smacking the bolt handle to get it to close in a chambered round, but we got it.

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Shooting in this today, it took all of the 1st round to get a case that had to have the bolt banged open to extract, and then round number 2 to get a failure to fire due freezing in an R700
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To be fair it did get a little bit of snow on it two days ago (like all the other rifles), got brushed off then set in the enclosed trailer. None of the Tikkas today or yesterday have had failures, nor has the MRC’s had any feed/function issues.

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How did that new OTB can in the first picture run? Any tweaks to the design needed based on all the shooting? Feel free to respond in the other thread.

 

[barehandlineman]

Good info! I was actually thinking how I’ve spent a decent amount time hunting in cold snowy conditions, but not actually shooting in them. So basically my guns could have been locked up at any point, but there wasn’t an animal that I wanted to kill present… so I never even knew anyways.

I dry fire my guns every morning youll hear it when one has ive build up. Keeping them greased helps keeping moisture out.

 

[wyosam]

Custom is definitely an odd word for what people are talking about with standalone actions. If someone has a "custom" action with a prefit and they threw it in a chassis, and call it a "custom rifle", then that's silly. But in my mind, when someone is talking about a "custom", they're at least referring to a gunsmith literally custom fitting, with exact tolerances, a barrel blank to their action, whether it's a "custom" action or not.

Edit: seems like if they started by selling bare actions, with trigger, or even barreled actions, people would probably be lining up to get the benefits that mostly come from the action.

Custom to me means built to suit as requested by end user. Not necessarily any indication of quality or complexity of build. I suppose somewhere there is a line between modified factory (ie just a stock change, or chop/thread etc). A tikka with nothing left from the factory other than the action and trigger, in a configuration not available from the factory is custom, even if it was poorly assembled on a tailgate. I wouldn’t actually consider most “custom actions” to be custom, unless you are having them make the action to be something they don’t offer as a ready made option. They are just an action to build a custom rifle from. A rifle built on a 700 clone standalone action is no more custom than one built on a Tikka, Savage or any other action.


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[gbflyer]

Is this one we are arguing about building a Lego gun/custom vs. MRC Marshall? I forget and I’m too lazy to read.

Anyway…in my 30 or so years dealing with rifles that aren’t the Walmart variety (and some of those too I guess), it has been my experience that a factory, unmolested rifle will always be more valuable second hand. I have thousands of dollars, mostly lefty, sunk into custom Remingtons, clones, AR’s, etc., assembled by various named and unnamed alike good gunsmiths. They are worth half what I have in them if I needed to sell. If I had put that money in Winchester Classics or the like I would have held value at the least.

That Marshall will be worth 2X the gun plumbed Tikka in 10 years.

 

[ElPollo]

Is this one we are arguing about building a Lego gun/custom vs. MRC Marshall? I forget and I’m too lazy to read.

Anyway…in my 30 or so years dealing with rifles that aren’t the Walmart variety (and some of those too I guess), it has been my experience that a factory, unmolested rifle will always be more valuable second hand. I have thousands of dollars, mostly lefty, sunk into custom Remingtons, clones, AR’s, etc., assembled by various named and unnamed alike good gunsmiths. They are worth half what I have in them if I needed to sell. If I had put that money in Winchester Classics or the like I would have held value at the least.

That Marshall will be worth 2X the gun plumbed Tikka in 10 years.

Good point. On the used market, it’s probably more like 10 minutes.

 

[wnelson14]

That Marshall will be worth 2X the gun plumbed Tikka in 10 years.

It already cost 2x a "gun plumbed Tikka" now? or are you saying it will be worth $7600 in 10 years because that would be hard to believe.

 

[Drenalin]

Ive heard a lot about problems with the Remington 700 trigger system. But has anyone ever had an actual failure?
Just remember multiple branches of the US Military and our partners have used the M24 and M40 for decades. Did they really deal with an inferior trigger for that amount of use?

I have, on a bluebird day in the middle of summer. The US military procurement system is a poor barometer for quality of product. I’m not a hater and don’t even own a Tikka, but Rem trigger issues aren’t made up.

 

[Dobermann]

The more ideal customer for the Marshall I see being someone who isn’t a gun guy, but who want’s a GOOD rifle that isn’t going to have issues. Someone who wants something that just works, and doesn’t mind paying for it. I talk with those types of guys pretty often. Instead of giving them a list of parts and then helping them go through and assemble everything correctly (along with all the inevitable troubleshooting), I can see just recommending they buy a Marshall. Aside from swapping the brake for a can, if it is what they say it is, it should be a turn key solution that’s ready to zero, dope, and use heavily.

I think this is a really important point.

Sounds like it would also be a good rifle for a guide to recommend to a client who "hasn't shot much, but wants to get a rifle and go on a hunt". While there would clearly be some train-up work to do, at least you would have someone turning up with a known platform ...

 

[PredatorSlayer]

This is an $1800 rifle with a $2k mark up to line some pockets. Awesome to live in a time where we have so many options to choose from

ETA: I hope you guys sell the shit out of them. Not my cup of tea, but I am all about guys thinking outside of the box to make a buck.

 

[gbflyer]

It already cost 2x a "gun plumbed Tikka" now? or are you saying it will be worth $7600 in 10 years because that would be hard to believe.

No. I’m saying it will be worth 2X more than the custom which will lose half its value. Pretty simple.

 

[gbflyer]

If you go on the UM website to their gun builder, a similarly spec’d custom .308 Tikka is $3200 with a stock trigger and a Rokstok. Good luck getting half that used. A factory Tikka T3X lite stainless is what….$800-ish retail? Don’t see the used ones for $400 even beat to shit.

Nothing wrong with their custom by the way, just the way it is.

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[8nbait]

$1250 controlled feed action with integrated rail.
$550 stock
$400 barrel
$200 trigger
$200 bottom metal
$100-2 mags
$100 brake
$400 chamber
$100 muzzle threads
$200 bed
$250 cerakote
$3750 Total
Peace of mind that it actually works and is accurate…priceless

 

[wnelson14]

No. I’m saying it will be worth 2X more than the custom which will lose half its value. Pretty simple.

True but how is this gun any different? In ten years it’s probably won’t be worth $1900, well it wouldn’t in my eyes anyways.

A Lego part Tikka can be parted out, not sure if this is the same.

 

[Billy Goat]

Ok, I maybe skipped a bit...

But I'm wondering.

Is this whole action doesn't work thing kinda like leaving your door open, then complaining it doesn't shut in a snow storm?




It's one thing to have your gun in the elements. Another to open the front door, then complain because you got water in the entry way.

Maybe I'm missing point.

 

[Formidilosus]

Ok, I maybe skipped a bit...

But I'm wondering.

Is this whole action doesn't work thing kinda like leaving your door open, then complaining it doesn't shut in a snow storm?




It's one thing to have your gun in the elements. Another to open the front door, then complain because you got water in the entry way.

Maybe I'm missing point.

Yes, you’re missing a bunch.

 

[Billy Goat]

Yes, you’re missing a bunch.

So explain it.

I been following this for a while now.


Pretend you are talking to a forking tard.

 

[fwafwow]

So explain it.

I been following this for a while now.


Pretend you are talking to a forking tard.

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