Tell us what you think about E-bikes for hunting??

[Marble]

If you don't mind taking a few minutes we'd love to get that feedback in the survey too. We are seeking a variety of opinions from hunters.

I think your survey was driven more towards sales then our interests.

The one thing I consider before buying equipment is quality and reliability. Then the performance. Cost is 3rd. I will not buy a shitty piece of equipment so that I can go get stuck or stranded because my chain broke or my battery died.

I also will not buy something I almost want. I would rather get nothing and wait to get exactly what I want.

Looks are whatever. Camo is not needed.


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[evergreenethos]

I don’t have anything against them. 100% think they should be allowed anywhere there are horses allowed. Most people can’t afford horses, or for whatever reason couldn’t be responsible horse owners. eBikes aren’t cheap but they are a whole lot more affordable than a horse. Levels the playing field a bit imho. Me personally, I don’t know how much I’d use one. I’d have an onX full of pins named “Ditched Bike Here” where I left it to go off the beaten path to check something out. I might be tempted to not do that as much just because I was on the bike. I don’t know maybe I should try one (can you rent them?) and have a better informed opinion.

 

[BuzzH]

They are restricted to motorized trails on forest service lands, exactly where they belong.

 

[CoStick]

I'm going to pretend I hate them until I can afford one.

A decent mountain bike is more expensive than an e-bike.

 

[Wrench]

The only issue I have with them is if allowed to travel on greater areas, all people will travel there. Think about how many people we saw during the rona' vacation that were just enjoying nature......the bikes will do the same.....this is NOT limited to hunters only.

I may buy one for a piece near the house. I can kill elk there with decent repetition, but it requires crossing 3 miles of a timber land who only allows ebikes. I'll be damned if we're gonna try to tie up the horses that close to home and hope they behave. Is it lazy, absolutely.....but it ain't a wilderness hunt either.

 

[KBC]

A decent mountain bike is more expensive than an e-bike.

Haha maybe but I can’t afford one of those either.

 

[tdhanses]

Until they get some specific, and very appropriate, classifications that separate them from motorcycles ect I don’t see the point of getting one. They 100% should be allowed to be used if horses are IMO!

Believe that has been in place for awhile, max motor size allowed is 750w.

 

[Wyobohunter]

A decent mountain bike is more expensive than an e-bike.

I bet a $10k mountain bike would ruin me for lesser bikes but I’m not a serious mountain biker. I believe you are. My upgrade next year is going to be a new mountain bike. Anything that is significantly lighter, has hydraulic disk brakes and a pretty good front shock will be more than decent compared to my early 90’s Cannondale. I plan to spend $2-$3k. Still way cheaper than most any electric motorcycle.

 

[JoeDirt]

Believe that has been in place for awhile, max motor size allowed is 750w.

One horsepower is 745.7 watts

An 750w or less Ebike causes less damage than a horse or a pack straing of animals, horses have a hoof pressure of 1500psi per hoof. In some sensitive areas there are concerns with horses spreading disease or invasive species due to supplemental feed.

Just playing devil's advocate, lot of F the ebike comments ...haha

 

[Wyobohunter]

One horsepower is 745.7 watts

An 750w or less Ebike causes less damage than a horse or a pack straing of animals, horses have a hoof pressure of 1500psi per hoof. In some sensitive areas there are concerns with horses spreading disease or invasive species due to supplemental feed.

Just playing devil's advocate, lot of F the ebike comments ...haha

The point for me is: If we take the difficult out of getting to the difficult to access areas, those places will be overran by the same lot that clog the roads with ATV’s and UTV’s. I’ve got no problem with road hunters. Getting into the difficult country isn’t for everyone. Let’s keep it that way.

 

[UpTop]

The point for me is: If we take the difficult out of getting to the difficult to access areas, those places will be overran by the same lot that clog the roads with ATV’s and UTV’s. I’ve got no problem with road hunters. Getting into the difficult country isn’t for everyone. Let’s keep it that way.

So basically we should be making regulations against folks who choose to use horses as well then? I mean they definitely make it easier for folks to get into the “difficult”country. I guarantee you if it’s difficult country there’s not going to be an explosion of new people getting in there because they have an ebike. That’s a silly argument

 

[Wyobohunter]

So basically we should be making regulations against folks who choose to use horses as well then? I mean they definitely make it easier for folks to get into the “difficult”country. I guarantee you if it’s difficult country there’s not going to be an explosion of new people getting in there because they have an ebike. That’s a silly argument

1- I haven’t advocated for any new regulations. There are areas where motorized vehicles are allowed and areas where they are not. That’s not a new idea.

2- Horses do not make it any easier. They are so much more work than hiking. I have friends that are horse people, and have no interest in working that hard. The extra year round work of owning, training, feeding etc. a horse keeps most people from doing it.

3- Many roads that are gated and trails not open to motorized vehicles are often taken for several miles before getting into great elk country. If these were opened up to motorized vehicles every other person that rides around all day in a SxS would buy an e-bike and it would change the nature of elk country. If you insist on using a motor I have zero issue with that. Stick to areas open to motorized vehicles.

4- If electric motorcycles wouldn’t make it easier to access difficult to reach places why are you advocating for it?

The good news is it doesn’t matter what I think or what you want. Nothing significant is changing in most places. Nothing is changing where I hunt. So you’ll get to ride your e-bike alongside the other motorized vehicles. Call your local USFS ranger district and ask them. I did.

Also, don’t forget to buy your ORV sticker. If you ride an e-bike in WY on motorized use trails it is required.

 

[dieselchessy]

One horsepower is 745.7 watts

An 750w or less Ebike causes less damage than a horse or a pack straing of animals, horses have a hoof pressure of 1500psi per hoof. In some sensitive areas there are concerns with horses spreading disease or invasive species due to supplemental feed.

Just playing devil's advocate, lot of F the ebike comments ...haha

Wow! Horses must have very small hooves or be really dang big where your from.


I never understand why some folks act as if an electric motor isn’t a motor. And then they also act like only 750w and less electric motors aren’t motors.
Would these same folks be ok with a 1hp gas, diesel, hydrogen, steam, ect… motor?
It’s a motorcycle plain and simple. That’s what happens when you put a motor on a cycle.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Wow! Horses must have very small hooves or be really dang big where your from.


I never understand why some folks act as if an electric motor isn’t a motor. And then they also act like only 750w and less electric motors aren’t motors.
Would these same folks be ok with a 1hp gas, diesel, hydrogen, steam, ect… motor?
It’s a motorcycle plain and simple. That’s what happens when you put a motor on a cycle.

The electric motorcycle manufacturers have duped many people into thinking that they created a loophole long enough to get their $8k. Now the people are realizing they were duped and are upset. Why they continue to grasp and justify is beyond me.

 

[JoeDirt]

Wow! Horses must have very small hooves or be really dang big where your from.


I never understand why some folks act as if an electric motor isn’t a motor. And then they also act like only 750w and less electric motors aren’t motors.
Would these same folks be ok with a 1hp gas, diesel, hydrogen, steam, ect… motor?
It’s a motorcycle plain and simple. That’s what happens when you put a motor on a cycle.

The 1500 psi was taken right out of the Us Forset services "Backcountry Horse use" printout.

"Minimize Horse Impact Horses and mules have great potential for leaving long-lasting impact in the backcountry. They generate pressures up to 1500 psi on each foot. Horseshoes intensify those pressures and increase shearing force on soils and vegetation. As grazing animals, they compete with wildlife for available feed and can over utilize a meadow if not properly attended. As large animals reacting to fear, boredom, hunger and discomfort they can do damage very quickly. A frightened horse can girdle a tree within seconds if it is improperly tied and then sets back on the lead rope violently"

I agree motors are motors, electric included its doesnt matter. My argument is why cant you bring a horse and not a Ebike? You are still being propelled by a horse?

 

[Wrench]

So basically we should be making regulations against folks who choose to use horses as well then? I mean they definitely make it easier for folks to get into the “difficult”country. I guarantee you if it’s difficult country there’s not going to be an explosion of new people getting in there because they have an ebike. That’s a silly argument

Divide and conquer. Important lesson to destroy your opponents.

 

[JoeDirt]

The electric motorcycle manufacturers have duped many people into thinking that they created a loophole long enough to get their $8k. Now the people are realizing they were duped and are upset. Why they continue to grasp and justify is beyond me.

There is no loophole, most states have had laws that regulate alternative powered bicycles on the books for a long time, 50cc mopeds?

I bought an Ebike in 2019 for $1700, I dont own horses or any ATVs. I can take it anywhere I can a mountain bike, car, horse and ATV. It is almost zero maintenance, i can toss in the the back of the truck why wouldn't I choose an Ebike, shit at $8k thats still a bargain over a horse.

 

[Wyobohunter]

There is no loophole, most states have had laws that regulate alternative powered bicycles on the books for a long time, 50cc mopeds?

I bought an Ebike in 2019 for $1700, I dont own horses or any ATVs. I can take it anywhere I can a mountain bike, car, horse and ATV. It is almost zero maintenance, i can toss in the the back of the truck why wouldn't I choose an Ebike, shit at $8k thats still a bargain over a horse.

You can’t legally take it anywhere you can take a peddle mountain bike. You can legally ride a non-motorized bicycle down the gated road where I hunt on USFS. You can’t use any motorized vehicles. I agree, there are places where you can ride it alongside mountain bikes. Not many of those places aren’t open to most motorized (50” or less).

 

[dieselchessy]

The 1500 psi was taken right out of the Us Forset services "Backcountry Horse use" printout.

"Minimize Horse Impact Horses and mules have great potential for leaving long-lasting impact in the backcountry. They generate pressures up to 1500 psi on each foot. Horseshoes intensify those pressures and increase shearing force on soils and vegetation. As grazing animals, they compete with wildlife for available feed and can over utilize a meadow if not properly attended. As large animals reacting to fear, boredom, hunger and discomfort they can do damage very quickly. A frightened horse can girdle a tree within seconds if it is improperly tied and then sets back on the lead rope violently"

I agree motors are motors, electric included its doesnt matter. My argument is why cant you bring a horse and not a Ebike? You are still being propelled by a horse?

They seem to be taking that to the extreme. Maybe a jumping horse coming down on one hoof with a shoe on and calculating the impact force across the surface area of the shoe.
But yes, horses trash trails, pastures, ect..

 

[Wyobohunter]

They seem to be taking that to the extreme. Maybe a jumping horse coming down on one hoof with a shoe on and calculating the impact force across the surface area of the shoe.
But yes, horses trash trails, pastures, ect..

The whole horse thing is simple whataboutism and kind of funny. Electric motorcycle owners are sad that they don’t have free rein (pun intended) so are attacking user groups that do.

Go ahead and rail about it. At least it keeps you busy.