Suppressor purchase from Silencer Central

[Dave C.]

This is futile. NOBODY does a background check when picking up a firearm. The background check is done prior. You sound like the attorneys for SC who are precisely the reason for all this BS. They misread and incorrectly interpret the sections and statutes and then "overprotect" their client by adding additional recommendations to ensure there's no question of being in trouble with ATF, even though it's entirely unnecessary.

 

[dieselchessy]

This is futile. NOBODY does a background check when picking up a firearm. The background check is done prior. You sound like the attorneys for SC who are precisely the reason for all this BS. They misread and incorrectly interpret the sections and statutes and then "overprotect" their client by adding additional recommendations to ensure there's no question of being in trouble with ATF, even though it's entirely unnecessary.

Who said anything about a background check? You fill out the 4473 for transfer documentation, they don’t do a second check after approval. Its a transfer record. Ive filled one out for every can Ive picked up from lock up after having been approved, receiving the tax stamp, ect. The FFL still has to record the transfer.

You dont do a second 4473 when picking up a firearm after a wait period because your local FFL ran the first 4473 and has it in their records.

How many suppressors have you purchased and from where?

 

[HandgunHTR]

This is futile. NOBODY does a background check when picking up a firearm. The background check is done prior. You sound like the attorneys for SC who are precisely the reason for all this BS. They misread and incorrectly interpret the sections and statutes and then "overprotect" their client by adding additional recommendations to ensure there's no question of being in trouble with ATF, even though it's entirely unnecessary.

Do you even read the responses, or are you just not capable of understanding what is being written?

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Do you even read the responses, or are you just not capable of understanding what is being written?

He does this in every single thread about silencer central. The sad thing is that he has all this rage, anger and the urge to talk down to people….and in the end, not only is he wrong about what he typed…..he’s stuck with a banish suppressor….

 

[Dave C.]

Who said anything about a background check? You fill out the 4473 for transfer documentation, they don’t do a second check after approval. Its a transfer record. Ive filled one out for every can Ive picked up from lock up after having been approved, receiving the tax stamp, ect. The FFL still has to record the transfer.

You dont do a second 4473 when picking up a firearm after a wait period because your local FFL ran the first 4473 and has it in their records.

How many suppressors have you purchased and from where?

Uh, the Code section that 5811 does. Try to stay with us.

"Furthermore, 18 U.S.C. 922(t)(1) and its implementing regulations at 27 CFR 478.102(a) require a licensee to contact NICS for a background check prior to completion of a firearm transfer to an unlicensed person, and verify the identity of that person by examining a valid identification document. The statute at 18 U.S.C. 922(t)(3) and implementing regulation at 27 CFR 478.102(d) provide exceptions to these requirements if: (1) the transferee has presented a valid permit or license (“alternate permit”) that: (i) allows the transferee to possess, acquire, or carry a firearm; (ii) was issued not more than 5 years earlier by the State in which the transfer is to take place; and (iii) the law of the State provides that such a permit or license is to be issued only after an authorized government official has verified that the information available to such official does not indicate that possession of a firearm by the transferee would be in violation of Federal, State, or local law, and includes completion of a NICS background check; (2) the firearm is subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act and has been approved for transfer under 27 CFR Part 479; or (3) on application of the licensee, in accordance with 27 CFR 478.150, the ATF Director has certified that running a NICS background check is impracticable."

 

[Dave C.]

Do you even read the responses, or are you just not capable of understanding what is being written?

Yeah, I do. Which is why it's futile to argue when I'm the only one capable of reading comprehension. Sadly, most of the rest of you think that because one poster puts up a code section which he has incorrectly interpreted, you all think he's right.

 

[5811]

"Furthermore, 18 U.S.C. 922(t)(1) and its implementing regulations at 27 CFR 478.102(a) require a licensee to contact NICS for a background check prior to completion of a firearm transfer to an unlicensed person, and verify the identity of that person by examining a valid identification document. The statute at 18 U.S.C. 922(t)(3) and implementing regulation at 27 CFR 478.102(d) provide exceptions to these requirements if: (1) the transferee has presented a valid permit or license (“alternate permit”) that: (i) allows the transferee to possess, acquire, or carry a firearm; (ii) was issued not more than 5 years earlier by the State in which the transfer is to take place; and (iii) the law of the State provides that such a permit or license is to be issued only after an authorized government official has verified that the information available to such official does not indicate that possession of a firearm by the transferee would be in violation of Federal, State, or local law, and includes completion of a NICS background check; (2) the firearm is subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act and has been approved for transfer under 27 CFR Part 479; or (3) on application of the licensee, in accordance with 27 CFR 478.150, the ATF Director has certified that running a NICS background check is impracticable."

By receiving your firearm through the mail, non-over-the-counter, you are not showing ID to the licensee to complete the transfer. This is what requires a second CLEO notice that can only be done after you are approved.

This is what you do when you pick up any suppressor from any shop after it's been approved, but cannot do when it is mailed to your door.

And you just glossed over where it was posted that Capitol Armory does the exact same thing?

Zero views on the document i posted. Talk about futile.

 

[pugwylde]

My take away from this:

1. There is very little difference from one can to the next. Essentially the only debate people ever get in about brand is SC versus anything else, and the debate is always about the customer service/shipping.
2. Shipping to your door isn't really touted by anyone other than SC because it sort of sucks. They aren't doing anything special, other than dealing with the frustration, because (my guess) they are winning the volume game.
3. Dealing with FFLs is a lot less scary than it seems. But because it seems scary, people (myself included) gravitate towards the promised land of avoiding them.
4. Almost everyone's favorite suppressor brand is the one they spent $1000 and nine months waiting for, unless they had a bad customer service experience. So take every bit of feedback on the topic with a giant grain of salt.

 

[dieselchessy]

My take away from this:

1. There is very little difference from one can to the next. Essentially the only debate people ever get in about brand is SC versus anything else, and the debate is always about the customer service/shipping.
2. Shipping to your door isn't really touted by anyone other than SC because it sort of sucks. They aren't doing anything special, other than dealing with the frustration, because (my guess) they are winning the volume game.
3. Dealing with FFLs is a lot less scary than it seems. But because it seems scary, people (myself included) gravitate towards the promised land of avoiding them.
4. Almost everyone's favorite suppressor brand is the one they spent $1000 and nine months waiting for, unless they had a bad customer service experience. So take every bit of feedback on the topic with a giant grain of salt.

I dont disagree with your points, other than #1 and scary FFL’s, but would add. SC is/was the first prominent supplier offering a way for folks distant from a dealer to easily purchase a suppressor. They filled a void in the market that now has a few other players. They arent a bad way to go, if your a long way from a dealer. It just takes a little longer and a few additional steps.

Be patient.

To your point number 1. PEW science and others do testing of suppressors. There are sizable differences to include size, material, brand, price and performance.

Suppressor Sound Rankings — PEW Science

What is the quietest silencer for your suppressed firearm? The quietest suppressor for your use case is listed on this page with detailed links to the Silencer Sound Standard test data. PEW Science test data with PEW-SOFT is the most accurate suppressor test data available.

pewscience.com

 

[HandgunHTR]

Yeah, I do. Which is why it's futile to argue when I'm the only one capable of reading comprehension. Sadly, most of the rest of you think that because one poster puts up a code section which he has incorrectly interpreted, you all think he's right.

Really, you are the only one capable of reading comprehension? So, tell me, Dave, did you read the posts I quoted below? If you did, and you are still sticking by your notion that what SC does is not required, then either 1) you actually are not capable of reading comprehension, or 2) you are willfully ignorant.

'10. Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(c)(3), 27 CFR 478.96(b), and 27 CFR 478.124(f), the licensee
must delay shipment or delivery of the firearm for at least seven days following receipt by
the licensee of either the return receipt evidencing delivery of the copy of the Form 4473
to the CLEO, or the return of the copy of the Form 4473 to the licensee due to refusal of
the CLEO to accept the same in accordance with U.S. Postal Service regulations; "

If the notice was not delivered, the 7 days cannot start. This is not Silencer Central's fault.

Dave, he literally posted the law in post #23.

You are conflating two different things. For a non-over-the-counter purchase of a suppressor, the CLEO needs to be notified twice. The first one, notification of the Form 4, can take place at any time, and is done by everyone once the Form 4 is filled out and submitted to the ATF. The second notification is of a non-over-the-counter sale of a firearm and cannot be done until the 4473 is filled out, which isn't done until the Form 4 is approved. That one also requires a 7-day wait until the transfer can proceed (as per the law posted above).

I get it, you don't like SC. Neither do I, but please take the time to actually read through the responses, rather than just jump in with an emotional reply.

They absolutely do. I know because I just bought my last one from them.

Here is a direct copy/paste from the email I got from them when my Form 4 was approved. I have highlighted the pertinent part.

​ First, log in to your account to complete the digital ATF Form 4473. Once you are within your account, you can see your approvals and generate the ATF Form 4473 for all current approvals. Completing the ATF Form 4473 lets us ship your NFA item directly to your home.​ ​ Pay close attention to the instructions and triple-check your responses before submitting the form. Processing these documents takes a considerable amount of our staff's time, and most errors can easily be prevented by triple-checking each field and following the instructions closely. By law, we cannot assist you with filling out this form. Once you complete the form, sign it digitally, and submit it, we will notify the CLEO in your state that we are conducting a non-over-the-counter sale to you. We provide your contact information but do not include the details of your order. We are required to wait seven days from the date they receive the notice before we can ship your item. Due to the CLEO notification and seven-day waiting period, the shipping process may take 2-3 weeks from the date you complete the ATF Form 4473. Once the waiting period has expired, we will ship your item to the address on your ID/DL/LTC, and you will receive a tracking number for the shipment. We ship all items via UPS ground with adult signature required. If an adult cannot be at your residence during delivery, please coordinate with UPS a time to pick up the item or arrange for an alternate delivery address (service available through UPS for an additional fee.) See www.UPS.com for additional details.​

 

[Dave C.]

I rest my case. Y'all just proved once again that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I rest my case. Y'all just proved once again that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I think you just proved him right. You clearly don’t read/understand what people have been posting, now that people are calling you out for it, you are reporting to insults like you do in every silencer central thread. It’s really strange to be so aggressive and to act the way you do over threads about silencers.

Seriously though, people are providing evidence to back up their claims, you are just insulting people for providing that evidence. Maybe it’s time for you to take your ball and go home Dave.

 

[HandgunHTR]

I rest my case. Y'all just proved once again that you have no idea what you're talking about.

So, educate me Dave. You came here and insulted my reading comprehension ability so I am asking you to explain to me how what I posted was wrong.