Someone is lying or I am missing something

[Schoolhousegrizz]

You're looking at it inversely. A high buck to do ratio means fewer bucks.

@18/100 that is 5+ does per buck. That is a high ratio
@50/100 that is 2 does per buck. That is a low ratio

Bucks cannot breed that many does in a season. They spend too much time chasing as a doe comes into estrous. He will stay with her until he is finished breeding her and break off and look for another. If you have way too many does you end up with does that are not bred in the primary rut. Mature does will cycle and come back into estrous a month or so later. They will get bred but fawns may or may not have a good enough start before winter hits. Lots of late fawns will die first winter particularly if it is a bad winter. Reducing numbers.

The research shows that almost every single doe is bred even with bucks down into the single digit in buck to doe ratios

 

[Pistolpete28]

10000 deer herd- 20 bucks to 100 does = 2000 bucks
2000 deer herd- 50 bucks to 100 does=
1000 bucks

Good thread, I’m just throwing numbers up for fun, continue on.

 

[robby denning]

10000 deer herd- 20 bucks to 100 does = 2000 bucks
2000 deer herd- 50 bucks to 100 does=
1000 bucks

Good thread, I’m just throwing numbers up for fun, continue on.

hmmmmm, isn't it calculated from...

10000 deer would include all deer, bucks fawn does, so the math of 2000 bucks is way high. 2000 is 20% but a buck:doe of 20/100 would actually be 20 bucks/120 "deer" (throwing out fawns) = 1667 bucks...then only gets lower once you throw in the fawns.

I don't wanna get lost in the weeds but that's my understanding. Come fight me lol

 

[idelkslayer]

Robby is correct. Let's say you have a unit with 30:100 bucks to does and 70:100 fawns to does. That would mean that out of 200 deer, there are 30 bucks, 100 does and 70 fawns.

In a herd of 10,000 deer it would be . 1,500 bucks, 5,000 does, and 3,500 fawns.

This is a great question though and I don't have an answer. If would be great to see a presentation with a few herds as examples that show 20-30 years of history of population, ratios, harvest stats, and habitat differences to understand what is possible in different areas and why.

 

[Pistolpete28]

hmmmmm, isn't it calculated from...

10000 deer would include all deer, bucks fawn does, so the math of 2000 bucks is way high. 2000 is 20% but a buck:doe of 20/100 would actually be 20 bucks/120 "deer" (throwing out fawns) = 1667 bucks...then only gets lower once you throw in the fawns.

I don't wanna get lost in the weeds but that's my understanding. Come fight me lol

Good point! I completely forgot the fawns

 

[Schoolhousegrizz]

Also, I have heard different things about what is counted as a buck. I've heard for example if you have 1,000 fawns they count half of those as bucks and put them in the buck to do ratio. Is this correct?

 

[robby denning]

Also, I have heard different things about what is counted as a buck. I've heard for example if you have 1,000 fawns they count half of those as bucks and put them in the buck to do ratio. Is this correct?

I have not heard that, but I like the way Wyoming publishes their buck to doe ratios cause they always tell you how many of the bucks were yearlings. They may not indicate it right in the ratio, but if there’s an accompanying article it almost always says it. I think this last one with 30+ bucks per hundred does. It was like 10 of those bucks were yearlings.

 

[Caseknife]

Also, I have heard different things about what is counted as a buck. I've heard for example if you have 1,000 fawns they count half of those as bucks and put them in the buck to do ratio. Is this correct?

The counts are usually after hunting season and it is visible antlers.

 

[Schoolhousegrizz]

I have not heard that, but I like the way Wyoming publishes their buck to doe ratios cause they always tell you how many of the bucks were yearlings. They may not indicate it right in the ratio, but if there’s an accompanying article it almost always says it. I think this last one with 30+ bucks per hundred does. It was like 10 of those bucks were yearlings.

Great information, thanks

 

[Schoolhousegrizz]

The counts are usually after hunting season and it is visible antlers.

That is good to hear. I hope that is the way they do it