so the ammunition manufacturers are not at fault for the higher prices

[boku]

Recently I have seen letters to retailers saying that their cost is going up 5-15% due to manufacturing costs. I'm assuming that running their factories at full capacity 24x7 creates additional cost for employees and equipment.

 

[CorbLand]

You can't ignore the supply change that was caused by the covid shutdowns. Before demand skyrocketed, there was a backlog due to supply chain being shutdown...I am not sure if supply would have caught up even without the increase in demand.

Toss in the record breaking demand...prices are going to be insane for a while. All that said, fishing sounds good and i'll be shooting my bow more than my rifle this year.

True.

Does anyone know if guns and ammo manufactures were affected in shutdowns? I know that the store I work for was able to keep running at full capacity because we sold guns.

 

[WCB]

True.

Does anyone know if guns and ammo manufactures were affected in shutdowns? I know that the store I work for was able to keep running at full capacity because we sold guns.

I work for a major manufacturer in the industry and zero issues with Covid. Didn't miss a minute of manufacturing at the level of production before Covid and has since hired hundreds of employees and greatly increased production. Maybe some were because of outbreaks or something in their facilities but nothing that would cause even a percent of the backlogs currently on the books.

 

[Nomadx2]

Recently I have seen letters to retailers saying that their cost is going up 5-15% due to manufacturing costs. I'm assuming that running their factories at full capacity 24x7 creates additional cost for employees and equipment.

Overtime, increased machining costs, excessive maintenance/repair costs, having to outsource mftg to meet order demand, & increased inventory costs.

Yeah, as a mftr when order demand suddenly increases without notice your costs per unit can go up.

 

[BjornF16]

I'm pretty disappointed with MidwayUSA right now...they appear to be gouging big time.

Case in point: 280 AI Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range 150gr ABLR

Nosler MSRP: $75.10
MidwayUSA: $85.99
LGS yesterday: $66.99

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CoreLokt ammo, which used to be cheap, is bordering $50 at MidwayUSA...

 

[Laramie]

True.

Does anyone know if guns and ammo manufactures were affected in shutdowns? I know that the store I work for was able to keep running at full capacity because we sold guns.

I have a buddy that works for Hornady. Covid ran through their plant in Grand Island but I don't believe they ever had to close the doors completely.

 

[RS3579]

People will pay it and they will sell for more now. Its unfortunate. But it’s the reality now. Lumber did the same in early 2020.

 

[CorbLand]

I'm pretty disappointed with MidwayUSA right now...they appear to be gouging big time.

Case in point: 280 AI Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range 150gr ABLR

Nosler MSRP: $75.10
MidwayUSA: $85.99
LGS yesterday: $66.99

Nosler - Worlds Finest Bullets, Ammunition, Rifles & Brass

Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more.

shop.nosler.com

Nosler Trophy Grade 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder

Nosler Trophy Grade ammunition is high quality, production-run ammunition manufactured to strict tolerances and inspected as it is hand-packaged. Trophy...

www.midwayusa.com

CoreLokt ammo, which used to be cheap, is bordering $50 at MidwayUSA...

"Used to be cheap" is the key phrase there man. Also, cheap is relative.

 

[Ratamahatta]

I'm pretty disappointed with MidwayUSA right now...they appear to be gouging big time.

Case in point: 280 AI Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range 150gr ABLR

Nosler MSRP: $75.10
MidwayUSA: $85.99
LGS yesterday: $66.99

Nosler - Worlds Finest Bullets, Ammunition, Rifles & Brass

Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more.

shop.nosler.com

Nosler Trophy Grade 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder

Nosler Trophy Grade ammunition is high quality, production-run ammunition manufactured to strict tolerances and inspected as it is hand-packaged. Trophy...

www.midwayusa.com

CoreLokt ammo, which used to be cheap, is bordering $50 at MidwayUSA...

I picked up 5 boxes of 30-06 core lokt back in the summer for $15.99, looking back I should have bought the other 5 boxes.

Dog will hunt, dog will hunt.

 

[Mighty Mouse]

I'm pretty disappointed with MidwayUSA right now...they appear to be gouging big time.

Case in point: 280 AI Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range 150gr ABLR

Nosler MSRP: $75.10
MidwayUSA: $85.99
LGS yesterday: $66.99

Nosler - Worlds Finest Bullets, Ammunition, Rifles & Brass

Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more.

shop.nosler.com

Nosler Trophy Grade 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder

Nosler Trophy Grade ammunition is high quality, production-run ammunition manufactured to strict tolerances and inspected as it is hand-packaged. Trophy...

www.midwayusa.com

CoreLokt ammo, which used to be cheap, is bordering $50 at MidwayUSA...

So vote with your dollars and buy from LGS or the dreaded (gasp) GunBroker.

 

[hereinaz]

People believe in freedom, but complain how it works in real life. Its supply and demand, driven by increased gun ownership and hoarding.

 

[BjornF16]

If it were purely supply and demand, then the manufacturer would be pushing the price increase to their distributors, and it would be reflected pretty well across all sellers. That doesn't appear to be what is happening with MidwayUSA.

If they simply matched MSRP, I wouldn't have an issue.

If the manufacturer upped MSRP, I wouldn't have an issue.

I've written to MidwayUSA to let them know how I feel about it...I'll be buying elsewhere.

 

[CorbLand]

People believe in freedom, but complain how it works in real life. Its supply and demand, driven by increased gun ownership and hoarding.

I texted this to a friend the other day.

Americans. **** yea, free markets are amazing and the best way. My house is worth twice what I paid for it two years ago. This is awesome.

Also Americans. Uh, why are business raising prices just because demand is up? Geez, businesses are just greedy and like to take your money.

 

[*zap*]

More people today believe in 'what is best for me' before freedom or so it seems to me.

 

[BjornF16]

why are business raising prices just because demand is up? Geez, businesses are just greedy and like to take your money.

Sometimes it's true...

 

[CorbLand]

If it were purely supply and demand, then the manufacturer would be pushing the price increase to their distributors, and it would be reflected pretty well across all sellers. That doesn't appear to be what is happening with MidwayUSA.

If they simply matched MSRP, I wouldn't have an issue.

If the manufacturer upped MSRP, I wouldn't have an issue.

I've written to MidwayUSA to let them know how I feel about it...I'll be buying elsewhere.

This is what is happening. It will never be equal across the board due to varying factors but in the 6 months every store will have raised their prices.

 

[Gorp2007]

If it were purely supply and demand, then the manufacturer would be pushing the price increase to their distributors, and it would be reflected pretty well across all sellers. That doesn't appear to be what is happening with MidwayUSA.

If they simply matched MSRP, I wouldn't have an issue.

If the manufacturer upped MSRP, I wouldn't have an issue.

I've written to MidwayUSA to let them know how I feel about it...I'll be buying elsewhere.

You're assuming that the actual equilibrium price (the point at which quantity supplied equals quantity demanded) is below MSRP. If sales on GB are any evidence, the actual equilibrium price is much higher. If you want ammo to actually sit available on the shelves, you need retailers to charge a price high enough to drive quantity demanded down below it's current levels and high enough to eliminate the profit margins available on the secondary market.

If retailers raise the prices too high, people will stop buying. That's the only way you're ever going to see ammo prices dropping lower.

 

[CorbLand]

Sometimes it's true...

If demand out weighs supply, then businesses should raise their pricing. There is no way around this. Period.

If the pricing is to high at one store, go buy it from another. Participate equally as much in a free market.

This is simply supply and demand. Period.

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[BjornF16]

If demand out weighs supply, then businesses should raise their pricing. There is no way around this. Period.

If the pricing is to high at one store, go buy it from another. Participate equally as much in a free market.

This is simply supply and demand. Period.

Did you miss the part where I said "I will be buying elsewhere"?...lol

And I disagree, to a certain extent, that is it purely supply and demand.

My LGS owner is a friend...with all the craziness these past few years, he has never once raised prices beyond MSRP. It's a choice...

 

[CorbLand]

Did you miss the part where I said "I will be buying elsewhere"?...lol

And I disagree, to a certain extent, that is it purely supply and demand.

My LGS owner is a friend...with all the craziness these past few years, he has never once raised prices beyond MSRP. It's a choice...

Your acting as if everything that is on the shelf was ordered yesterday. Some companies are going to increase their pricing early, some will wait until their costs increases. The only way to slow demand is to raise pricing. So, in a free market a business should raise their pricing as demand increases regardless of costs. Cheap items, high demand creates scarcity.

No, I did not miss that you will be shopping somewhere else. I also havent missed your misconceived idea of how free markets work and that you continue to call it price gouging. Price gouging exists nowhere but in your head.

Your friend hasnt raised his pricing because his hasn't raised yet. He ordered the stuff on his shelf a year ago, not last week. He will raise them in the next 6 months. Also, this hasn't been happening for years. Demand didnt out weigh supply until July/August. We have only felt the tip of what is going to happen.