Sitka took a stand

[flyinsquirel]

I think of what you said every time I see oil rigs off the gulf coast, but none on the East or West coast, because they don't want to look at them. Ridiculous double-standards we have in this country.

The west coast does have offshore oil rigs. I know people who work them.

 

[Backyard]

You are correct. Wait until we start tearing everything up to find lithium, nickel, etc. Talk about import dependent.

They're already trying to get a nickel mine going adjacent to the BWCAW in MN. The owner of the outfit is Jared and Ivanka's landlord who also owns Antofagasta

 

[Marbles]

Maybe those states could set aside a portion of their oil money for Alaska or put an Alaska tax on lower 48 oil? A glut of oil other places does not benefit Alaskans in the least. You mentioned what happens to a town when oil leaves, now imagine that on a statewide scale. It’s happened before. If I remember right in the 80’s oil crash 7 of 9 Alaska banks went belly up, people just dropped house keys off at the bank. Last number I read was 322,000 working adults in Alaska, with a state the size of Texas, Cali, Montana combined. You can’t tax 322,000 people enough to pay for that large an areas costs. The amount of villages that need service, rural law enforcement, road maint, you name it costs a lot. Imaging a city of 700,000 paying to maintain 14,000 miles of roads, hundreds or airports, flying law enforcement hours for calls, etc etc. the state NEEDS oil revenue.

Alaska has little chance at manufacturing due to shipping costs, small chance at technology relocating. Alaska has tourism, fishing, hunting, oil, minerals. With double whammy of virus and oil price drop, it’s going to be a rough few years.

Adding to the global glut of oil that has driven prices down can only drive prices lower and further hurt Alaska. The Alaska Oil and Gas Association appears to think it is a lack of incentive rather than a lack of oil that drives the low production. https://www.aoga.org/facts-and-figu...uction has dropped 68,barrels per day in 1988.

This will get a lot of hate, but if Alaska wants a sustainable budget it needs to ditch it's communist wealth redistribution program that is the PFD and get back to the basic functions of government. In a state with one of the highest per capital incomes in the union it is hardly justifiable even if one actually has socialist leanings. If I counted right only five states and DC have higher. https://www.infoplease.com/business/poverty-income/capita-personal-income-state

I agree that Alaska is in for a rough road for the foreseeable future.

I'm all for oil, and many green initiatives have caused significant harm (ethenol in fuel is one example). However, some things cannot be undone, even in several lifetimes.

 

[EastMT]

Adding to the global glut of oil that has driven prices down can only drive prices lower and further hurt Alaska. The Alaska Oil and Gas Association appears to think it is a lack of incentive rather than a lack of oil that drives the low production. https://www.aoga.org/facts-and-figu...uction has dropped 68,barrels per day in 1988.

This will get a lot of hate, but if Alaska wants a sustainable budget it needs to ditch it's communist wealth redistribution program that is the PFD and get back to the basic functions of government. In a state with one of the highest per capital incomes in the union it is hardly justifiable even if one actually has socialist leanings. If I counted right only five states and DC have higher. https://www.infoplease.com/business/poverty-income/capita-personal-income-state

I agree that Alaska is in for a rough road for the foreseeable future.

I'm all for oil, and many green initiatives have caused significant harm (ethenol in fuel is one example). However, some things cannot be undone, even in several lifetimes.

I would agree about the PFD, and probably some type of tax if they want to keep getting/giving all the handouts. If the oil dries up, it will be mighty hard collecting taxes on the unemployed 33% oil related jobs in the state. If gas hits $5 again maybe I can draw some of those western tags!

I would disagree about the global glut, 100,000 barrels starting years down the road will have little to no impact, we aren’t talking millions per day. The state is already basically a welfare state, taking way more from other states per capita than any other state. But at 322,000 working adults, that’s not a very big group to find competent people to run things.......

 

[Clarktar]

Maybe those states could set aside a portion of their oil money for Alaska or put an Alaska tax on lower 48 oil? A glut of oil other places does not benefit Alaskans in the least. You mentioned what happens to a town when oil leaves, now imagine that on a statewide scale. It’s happened before. If I remember right in the 80’s oil crash 7 of 9 Alaska banks went belly up, people just dropped house keys off at the bank. Last number I read was 322,000 working adults in Alaska, with a state the size of Texas, Cali, Montana combined. You can’t tax 322,000 people enough to pay for that large an areas costs. The amount of villages that need service, rural law enforcement, road maint, you name it costs a lot. Imaging a city of 700,000 paying to maintain 14,000 miles of roads, hundreds or airports, flying law enforcement hours for calls, etc etc. the state NEEDS oil revenue.

Alaska has little chance at manufacturing due to shipping costs, small chance at technology relocating. Alaska has tourism, fishing, hunting, oil, minerals. With double whammy of virus and oil price drop, it’s going to be a rough few years.

Well, I wish what you were saying was reflected in the housing market around FBX right now!!

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[EastMT]

Well, I wish what you were saying was reflected in the housing market around FBX right now!!

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Housing is going nuts everywhere, I don’t know if it’s anticipating high interest rates as inflation ticks up or what, but people are buying all over. My sister is in Montana real estate as just killing it!

 

[Crghss]

Currently, I don’t see anyone drilling in ANWR anytime soon. It just doesn’t seem economically feasible. Not when you have all the untapped US wells in addition to the low cost ME oil.

We will, sooner or later, drill there (decades maybe). We’ll have too. The worlds energy needs are growing faster then we can replenish them. When we build solar & wind sites we’re filling the new requirements for energy. We are not reducing our carbon output. We do shut down coal plant but replacing then with natural gas, because its cheaper.

As 3rd world Countries standard of living raises to the level of 1st world countries this requires energy. And food. How do we meet the worlds Food requirement, oil. Modern farming comes with the need for fertilizer. Fertilizers comes from oil. People think a barrel of oil is used to make gasoline. Only half is used for that, rest is medicine, makeup, plastics and a thousand other things.

On earth there where 1.5 billion people in 1900, 3 billion in 1960, 7.7 billion today. How many in 2080? All living at a higher stand of living.

It will take massive amounts of energy. Ever type, shape and form. And it can’t/won’t be stopped.

 

[MagnumRuger]

All the more reason I will continue to purchase Sitka gear.


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PLUS 2 HERE!!!

 

[Newtosavage]

The west coast does have offshore oil rigs. I know people who work them.

Visible from the beaches of CA, OR or WA? I didn't realize that.

 

[amassi]

Visible from the beaches of CA, OR or WA? I didn't realize that.

California

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[Dust Rider]

Thought this was going to be a thread about Sitka moving its production out of asia.......

I was hoping it was a thread that Sitka was leaving Bozeman and taking all the flat bill bro brah, you tube warrior Subaru driving douche bags with them...

 

[wind gypsy]

Visible from the beaches of CA, OR or WA? I didn't realize that.

very visible from most beaches in the LA area. Haven’t made any new platforms in a long time but they are still there.

 

[SLDMTN]

Pretty ridiculous what they accomplished in Cook Inlet while everyone was hyper-focused on Pebble Mine, Susitna Dam and a road through the preserve down in southwest AK. I’m guessing most have no clue what I’m talking about though.

Imagine what they accomplish while everyone is squabbling over ANWR...

I leave it at that.

 

[EastMT]

Pretty ridiculous what they accomplished in Cook Inlet while everyone was hyper-focused on Pebble Mine, Susitna Dam and a road through the preserve down in southwest AK. I’m guessing most have no clue what I’m talking about though.

Imagine what they accomplish while everyone is squabbling over ANWR...

I leave it at that.

You mean the platforms and the underwater pipelines?

 

[SLDMTN]

You mean the platforms and the underwater pipelines?

Not to mention the above ground pipelines they built out by Beluga.


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[Newtosavage]

I was hoping it was a thread that Sitka was leaving Bozeman and taking all the flat bill bro brah, you tube warrior Subaru driving douche bags with them...

wow. Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Dust Rider]

Whiskey last night... it was a little harsh. Not all Subaru drivers are d bags.

 

[wind gypsy]

Whiskey last night... it was a little harsh. Not all Subaru drivers are d bags.

Thank Heavens. I just bought one for a commuter car on Saturday.

 

[String&stick]

Maybe those states could set aside a portion of their oil money for Alaska or put an Alaska tax on lower 48 oil? A glut of oil other places does not benefit Alaskans in the least. You mentioned what happens to a town when oil leaves, now imagine that on a statewide scale. It’s happened before. If I remember right in the 80’s oil crash 7 of 9 Alaska banks went belly up, people just dropped house keys off at the bank. Last number I read was 322,000 working adults in Alaska, with a state the size of Texas, Cali, Montana combined. You can’t tax 322,000 people enough to pay for that large an areas costs. The amount of villages that need service, rural law enforcement, road maint, you name it costs a lot. Imaging a city of 700,000 paying to maintain 14,000 miles of roads, hundreds or airports, flying law enforcement hours for calls, etc etc. the state NEEDS oil revenue.

Alaska has little chance at manufacturing due to shipping costs, small chance at technology relocating. Alaska has tourism, fishing, hunting, oil, minerals. With double whammy of virus and oil price drop, it’s going to be a rough few years.

So . . . What I am hearing you say is:. Because the STATE of Alaska can't take care of itself based on population, because the STATE of Alaska can't attract manufacturing, because the STATE of Alaska can't do other things because it's so far north and cold. . . We should allow the exploitation of natural resources to take place on a NATIONAL wild life refuge. . .

I suppose then the State of Wyoming with it's low population should be able to sell off NATIONAL forrest to support itself, or maybe Sell some lots in yellowstone national park so long as they are small and don't disturb much?

There has to be a line somewhere, just because it's a decent place to drill doesn't mean we should do it! Trump is currently proposing to make it much easier to drill in ALL national forrest's, should states seek to do that as well since it would help their bottom line?

Certain areas need preserved no matter how easy or profitable development maybe. End of story.

 

[EastMT]

Apples to oranges. Yellowstone is a pimple to the size of ANWR. The development area is a pimple to Yellowstone. Point Thompson is already right on the edge of ANWR. Here it is, built roads there every winter for quite awhile. If you step off the road you can get fired, honk at wildlife fired, a caribou lays in the road for 8 hours? You are parked, non hazing, no pushing, they own that road now.

The maps showing 1002 they put out to fight this is a joke, the area they show is the size of most large states as the “drilling area”. It is an amazing place, not a wasteland as I’ve seen. The number of waterfowl is crazy on the ponds. The caribou just don’t mind, the calving herds lay around the area, no predators bother them there. A polar bear or griz will wander through occasionally, saw one set of wolf tracks on the ice road in winter and I watched for wildlife nonstop.

Pr Thompson marked with arrow

They are already basically there, so the impact over current would be minimal. I’m ok with the other 49 paying AK’s way, keep it coming. As long as you don’t mind funding us. We get to make 6 figures with no taxes and you get to pay for our infrastructure, deal!

I’ll be retired before any of the dire oil predictions come into effect, so I’m good. But I’d sure like Alaska to not look like downtown Detroit in 50 years when the only game in town is gone.