Sitka took a stand

[Squincher]

This.

The only reason to drill ANWR right now is because a rich corporation (ASRC) wants to get richer and has bought politicians. But, when a corporation spends vast sums to sculp a narrative for almost 40 years it is understandable that so many end up swallowing its line.

Look at Gov. Dunleavy who literally takes contributions from ASRC, then uses his position of public trust to attack a corporation that exercises its first amendment rights.

What about when environmental groups spend vast sums to sculpt a narrative? Is that bad, too? Or only if you disagree with the narrative? And damn that governor for trying to do what he thinks is best for the most people he can. What, does he think he has first amendment rights, too?

 

[Marbles]

What about when environmental groups spend vast sums to sculpt a narrative? Is that bad, too? Or only if you disagree with the narrative? And damn that governor for trying to do what he thinks is best for the most people he can. What, does he think he has first amendment rights, too?

Thanks, I needed some amusement.

First Amendment rights do not cover official acts or acts commitment in an official capacity are with the appearance of such. Anyone who has ever been a patriot and served this country is well educated on that fact. That or they violated their oath of enlistment by ignoring the lawful orders of those appointed over them.

Show me where I said what ASRC has done is unlawful/unethical or even that they should not have a position? Contrast it with what numerous people have said about Sitka Gear on this thread.

As you brought it up, what is the ratio of spending on lobbying between oil companies like ASRC and environmental groups? Goliath should not complain that David is too large.

I do believe that (as bound by law) ASRC has only its shareholders interest in mind. I also think it is likely (but not proven) ARSC has put enough money into Dunleavy that its shareholders interests are more important to him than "the most people" he can do good for. Beyond that, I don't trust people who use socialist schemes to purchase votes with the public purse. Sadly that has become so common that it is a valueless metric in regards to politicians as nearly all fail it.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I live with the effects of oil development and our stupid state tax system that all but requires small landowners to overgraze and destroy wildlife habitat, every day.

People are so uneducated on the long term incremental impacts of all types of development on wildlife.

It's always clear when folks think with their wallet first, but it's especially sad to see hunters doing it.

This is completely laughable if your taking about Texas, simpley not true. Best Friends ranch in the Hill country thats 2500 acres is $3700. Stocking rates are 1/37 acres. My ranch in the panhandle is acreage tax is even less then that. I have several oil And gas wells.

Ranch I hunt in STX cattle stocking rates went up and wildlife carrying capacity also went up with pipeline clearing and oil production. It's Been in the MLD program for 20 some years, so herd health, numbers, ratios, fawn recruitment etc has been tracked and documented by ranch biologist for same amount of time. Same thing on my mule deer lease in west Texas.

Unbelievable BS misinformation

 

[Newtosavage]

This is completely laughable if your taking about Texas, simpley not true. Best Friends ranch in the Hill country thats 2500 acres is $3700. Stocking rates are 1/37 acres. My ranch in the panhandle is acreage tax is even less then that. I have several oil And gas wells.

Ranch I hunt in STX cattle stocking rates went up and wildlife carrying capacity also went up with pipeline clearing and oil production. It's Been in the MLD program for 20 some years, so herd health, numbers, ratios, fawn recruitment etc has been tracked and documented by ranch biologist for same amount of time. Same thing on my mule deer lease in west Texas.

Unbelievable BS misinformation

exactly what are you objecting to? Please be specific.

 

[cuerro viejo]

exactly what are you objecting to? Please be specific.

You idea of the ag tax system being so high that you have to destroy the land to pay To afford taxes.

requires small landowners to overgraze and destroy wildlife habitat, every day.

 

[Newtosavage]

You idea of the ag tax system being so high that you have to destroy the land to pay To afford taxes.

[qoute] requires small landowners to overgraze and destroy wildlife habitat, every day.

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Would you like to know why I said "all but requires..."? I can offer details if you're interested.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Would you like to know why I said "all but requires..."? I can offer details if you're interested.
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I own a few acres and very away what my tax bills are In Texas

 

[Newtosavage]

Would you like to know why I said "all but requires..."? I can offer details if you're interested.

I own a few acres and very away what my tax bills are In Texas
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Do you think every county is the same?

 

[cuerro viejo]

I own a few acres and very away what my tax bills are In Texas

Do you think every county is the same?
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no but ag basis is similar across the state
I can give examples for McCullough, concho, Mason, Gillespie, Llano, Webb, Denton, Dallam, Sherman, Pecos and Aransas. All from what I pay or friends/family pay.

Even small properties examples like our old Mccullough Place the tax bill is only $300 a year for 215 acres and had a well producing 8-10 barrels a day.

 

[Newtosavage]

Do you think every county is the same?

no but ag basis is similar across the state
I can give examples for McCullough, concho, Mason, Gillespie, Llano, Webb, Denton, Dallam, Sherman, Pecos and Aransas. All from what I pay or friends/family pay.

Even small properties examples like our old Mccullough Place the tax bill is only $300 a year for 215 acres and had a well producing 8-10 barrels a day.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I live with the effects of oil development and our stupid state tax system that all but requires small landowners to overgraze and destroy wildlife habitat, every day.

Taxes are taxes, oil and gas production doesn't effect AG valuation of land.

Texas based land taxes aren't expensive, and they won't cause land owners to over graze and destroy wildlife habitat, Hell Texas has a tax lowering program specifically for wildlife habitat enhancements.


Any way back to Stika I wonder if the are going to match jobs and employment opportunities.... I doubt it

 

[Newtosavage]

Taxes are taxes, oil and gas production doesn't effect AG valuation of land.

Texas based land taxes aren't expensive, and they won't cause land owners to over graze and destroy wildlife habitat, Hell Texas has a tax lowering program specifically for wildlife habitat enhancements.


Any way back to Stika I wonder if the are going to match jobs and employment opportunities.... I doubt it

I suppose you think I have zero knowledge or background in ag valuation or O&G. LOL

Well, we were talking about two different things. My point about O&G had no connection at all to taxes or ag valuation, but that wasn't clear in my statement.