Senate vote public lands sale

[nettereo16]

He flip flopped, went from telling us all he'd vote no to saying he would vote yes but would fight for removal from the bill.

Not sure if flip-flopped is the right description - he was a NO based on the public land sales proposal, and then had discussions with leadership, and presumably the other NO votes, that he would be leading the amendment to strip the sale proposal. That gave a lot of leverage to get the proposal removed instead of smacked down, and remained consistent with his opposition. I do think he and the other R Senators/Congressmen who publicly opposed this proposal deserve a lot of credit, though it's disappointing more didn't join in opposition.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5375224-sheehy-trump-megabill-vote/

 

[go_deep]

Why are some of you in favor of selling checkerboard? Seems to me that checkerboard access is alive and well.

 

[Poser]

Out of curiosity, question for the guys who were of the "ya'll are siding with the liberal propaganda" camp:

Are you mad? disappointed? angry? Feel like you lost? Indifferent?

In the various hunting FB groups, there were some guys just railing super hard against anyone opposing Mike Lee. Just curious if the people of this mindset perceive that the American people lost something by forcing Mike Lee's hand.

 

[go_deep]

I think the one thing that's being lost in all this is the simple fact that your state senator works for you. People spoke out and their senator listened. Senators like Mike Lee doesn't necessarily need to be voted out, his constituents need to get in his ear and make it clear to him and publicity that they stand against it and get him to publicly agree to not propose the sale of public lands again.

 

[average]

Not sure if flip-flopped is the right description - he was a NO based on the public land sales proposal, and then had discussions with leadership, and presumably the other NO votes, that he would be leading the amendment to strip the sale proposal. That gave a lot of leverage to get the proposal removed instead of smacked down, and remained consistent with his opposition. I do think he and the other R Senators/Congressmen who publicly opposed this proposal deserve a lot of credit, though it's disappointing more didn't join in opposition.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5375224-sheehy-trump-megabill-vote/

Agree to disagree, I'm glad it worked out but I have little faith he would've chose people over party/president had it came down to it. Rand Paul and Thom Tillis are standing for something (not our issue particularly but something), Sheely got to have his cake and eat it too.

 

[PMcGee]

Out of curiosity, question for the guys who were of the "ya'll are siding with the liberal propaganda" camp:

Are you mad? disappointed? angry? Feel like you lost? Indifferent?

In the various hunting FB groups, there were some guys just railing super hard against anyone opposing Mike Lee. Just curious if the people of this mindset perceive that the American people lost something by forcing Mike Lee's hand.

Where was this? I didn’t see it. I don’t know one person left or right that supported that part of the bill. I think the liberal guys are pissed it didn’t pass because now there’s nothing to whine about.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Sheehy had a big part of getting this dropped - he came out against the public land sales and late today said he was putting together an amendment to drop the sale provision. That pressure along with the other 3 Rs from ID/MT definitely forced the issue.

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This correct. Sheehy and Daines planned to propose an amendment that would remove the public land sales amendment. They convinced enough R’s to back this amendment, like a dozen or more. Thune pulled Lee into his office and told him that they had enough votes to pass an amendment removing public land sales. Thune offered Lee an opportunity to save face and pull his amendment prior to the vote to proceed. At that point Lee pulled his amendment.

 

[Jason Snyder]

I think the liberal guys are pissed it didn’t pass because now there’s nothing to whine about.

 

[Yoder]

I hate almost everyone in politics. They are all a bunch of self-serving scum bags. They need to do a financial audit of everyone. Anyone with shady finances gets fired and put in prison for life for treason. I'll bet it would get rid of 95% of them.

 

[Zak406]

Out of curiosity, question for the guys who were of the "ya'll are siding with the liberal propaganda" camp:

Are you mad? disappointed? angry? Feel like you lost? Indifferent?

In the various hunting FB groups, there were some guys just railing super hard against anyone opposing Mike Lee. Just curious if the people of this mindset perceive that the American people lost something by forcing Mike Lee's hand.

As I stated before I am a life long republican. I don’t think bad ideas are one sided. Democrats can have bad ideas and so can republicans. This was a bad republican idea at the end of the day I think as I stated prior that this is a Lee money grab. He clearly had or has something to gain from this. When it comes to affordable housing it’s a topic that I believe is routed in not paying your dues. You want a big house in an area you desire to be in then you need to work hard, save; and do things that help you achieve that goal. It’s not mine or anyone else here’s responsibility to ensure little Johnny does the things he needs to do to buy an overly sized house that he can’t afford.

I have worked my entire life for what I have. Sure I’ve gotten lucky along the way but I created some of that luck by working hard and being consistent. There are people much better off than me out there and much worse off. I don’t begrudge the people better off than me. Do I wish I had an easier path in some cases? Yes it would have been nice but trust me if I can do it so can anyone else. I graduated 400 out of 420 in high school to go on and graduate from deans list in college. My wage is a direct reflection of hard work and determination.

 

[DesertPinstripes]

Doubtful. They were against this provision as well. This was a bipartisan effort.

 

[mtwarden]

Be sure to follow up with a thank you; would have been nice to see more senators get on board, but got enough that it stopped it—thankfully.

Was very nice to see a few House members get on board big time just in case the Senate didn't stop it.

Maybe Zinke's bill will gather some momentum after all the folks calling and emailing recently.

 

[huntineveryday]

I would love to see the stats on how many emails and phone calls were received over the last week.

As always, remember the entities that stood with us on this. There were plenty. The way we thank them is by supporting them with our money.

TRCP posted a list of hunting businesses that publicly opposed this. It's on thier social media, but I saved it for future use. They listed hunting brands, but there were brands in the hiking/outdoor rec world involved too that weren't listed.

 

[mtwarden]

Thanks for posting that; few names that should be on the list that weren’t

 

[Poser]

Where was this? I didn’t see it. I don’t know one person left or right that supported that part of the bill. I think the liberal guys are pissed it didn’t pass because now there’s nothing to whine about.

Go back and look at posts from Idaho Beaver and PAcoalpacker. This thread and the others, too.

 

[CorbLand]

TRCP posted a list of hunting businesses that publicly opposed this. It's on thier social media, but I saved it for future use. They listed hunting brands, but there were brands in the hiking/outdoor rec world involved too that weren't listed.

Thank you. One thing that I hope everyone can remember is that everyone that uses public lands came together on this.

 

[average]

Just

Maybe I missed their post but I didn’t see anyone rallying hard for Lee’s proposal. Idaho Beaver had valid points some people just didn’t like them.

It was more so their alluding to some sort of repercussions for helping the "evil leftists"

 

[brancher147]

The simple fact is that there may be a legitimate reason to sell SOME small portions of public land for example those that were unwisely checkerboarded. The problem is when you use an axe and not a scalpel to do it, you invite the criticism that Lee rightly deserved.

As much as people like rattling Roosevelt’s bones about protecting lands, he was also largely an imperialist who saw the US’s success and the prosperity of its citizens as paramount. Ressurrect him in 2025 and ask him how to handle this issue and his answer may not be what many would expect.

I disagree. I don’t think any should be sold. I think more should be done to gain access for public to checkerboard or landlocked pieces if anything. If you let them sell any public land then it will continue and it will grow legs. Everyone did a good job voicing their objection to not sell public lands and that is where our objection should stay-NO public land sold.

 

[ODB]

I disagree. I don’t think any should be sold. I think more should be done to gain access for public to checkerboard or landlocked pieces if anything. If you let them sell any public land then it will continue and it will grow legs. Everyone did a good job voicing their objection to not sell public lands and that is where our objection should stay-NO public land sold.

I understand the sentiment completely - but at the end of the day, better to be involved in a hard decision to some extent than not at all. Better to dance with the devil you know and all that...

 

[Gila]

It could have been a different ballgame if the parliamentarian wouldn’t have tossed Lee’s first provision. Actually this entire affair was a nefarious plan by this Administration to pay for the tax cuts. This set-up has been going on by the Republicans for some years now. Utah sued to get Fed lands transferred to the state of Utah. Twelve states’ governments and organizations signed onto to an Amicus Brief supporting Utah in their lawsuit. Montana interests tried to get their state legislature to pass a resolution in support of Utah but failed. SCOTUS ruled against Utah. If SCOTUS had ruled in their favor, up to 285 million acres across the West could have been sold.

This mammoth Reconciliation Bill was a chance for those states to submit legislation that could get “lost” in the controversy knowing that it was only a majority vote. Sen Lee was picked to “ramrod” the provision into the Seante Bill. Just yesterday Trump announced Sen. Lee’s possible appointment to Supreme Court justice. If that happens you know this monster will rear its ugly head once again.

Make no mistake about it.

12 states get behind Utah’s lawsuit to take over millions of acres of federally-controlled land • Idaho Capital Sun

States, including Idaho, support Utah’s lawsuit that questions whether the BLM can hold onto millions acres of public land.

idahocapitalsun.com

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394684-trump-has-asked-advisers-about-nominating-mike-lee-to-supreme-court-report/