Rich Man's Sport

[CamoPirate]

was referring to tag/permit quantities.

For example, say the quota area i prefer to hunt has 100 permits available. You as a NR and i as a R apply for the same permit. Theoretically, all 100 permits could all go to NR if the demand was such and the R hunters didnt have enough pref points to draw.

 

[LoggerDan]

I give the same tip to all waiters, get a new job. I read the other day, tipping is on it's way out.

Enjoy your spit burger

 

[Nick992]

I agree with the sentiment, but it doesn't hit home.

The basis of public goods is to allow equal access to all regardless of wealth/social status. i.e. - I can go to the local park/library etc and have equal access as the Mayor or the billionaires.

If we only allowed people to hunt if they contribute to supply (ie conservation) you may as well privatize hunting fully. Ultimately you would end up with a system that only rewarded the top contributors with the limited tags.

Regarding habitat conservation - how do we overcome the challenges of public land grazing? why should it be the hunters responsibility to correct the overgrazing via habitat conservation? why arent we holding those offenders with the responsibility to correct? Same could be said for the urbanization of wintering habitat and migration corridors.

I agree that the access has to remain equal for the resources to be considered public.

However, the library metaphor is a great one because usually some rich individual usually has their name on the building after a large donation. I'm not sure how this could work with public game lands, but there are many conservationists out there, and there are companies buying carbon credits in the form of raw forests.
To the point of many others here, it would take a level of organization that I don't see among hunters.

My buddy has been trying to get me to join BHA, maybe this year is the time.

Backcountry Hunters and Anglers

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Do any of y'all volunteer with a group like this, or know of any alternatives?

 

[Yoder]

What gets old is people comparing white tails to the limited number of animals and habitat we have.


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Two kids are at the playground.

Eastern kid says "This playground is pretty fun but I would love to go to Disney World some day".

Western kid "I live in Orlando and we have season passes to Disney. It totally sucks. I can only go on most of the rides and I even have to wait in line sometimes. You wouldn't understand."

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Enjoy your spit burger

Most of the people who work in the chain restaurants know they are in dead end jobs, so my tip to find a new job is a sound one. And by the way if you do eat out a lot, you have more than likely had something on your food you would not want to know about. People do it just because they can and they think it's funny. Maybe their boss gave them a hard time, so you get a little something extra with you special sauce.

 

[timberjack86]

In my county we have tons of public land but the game is few and far between. Sometimes your lucky to see a deer. If you do though chances are it's a nice buck. But for the cost of a gun, ammo and license I've got plenty of room to roam.

 

[Boarmaster]

I recognize hunting as a privilege not a right. States with large public land that is preserved from development need revenue from somewhere. There are no free lunches. I spend alot of money just to hunt Eastern whitetails as I live ( and work) in a place where there is not whitetail hunting. So travel expenses and access via lease fees are high. I do good financially but I am not a rich man and sacrifice other things to hunt as much as I do.

 

[cmahoney]

Two kids are at the playground.

Eastern kid says "This playground is pretty fun but I would love to go to Disney World some day".

Western kid "I live in Orlando and we have season passes to Disney. It totally sucks. I can only go on most of the rides and I even have to wait in line sometimes. You wouldn't understand."

I totally understand, I lived in the east coast for a couple years and it was eye opening. I chose to live where I do and have no complaint about guys coming here from other states to hunt when they draw a tag.

I don’t care if you can get 10 whitetail tags 2 raccoon permits and unlimited skunks on the east coast for $60 as a non resident. The demand for our animals won’t allow the same.


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[eye_zick]

That’s spot on. Idaho is getting ready to start open houses for the next 2 years of seasons. There is no shortage of residents bitching about how IFG manages the animals. I would venture less than 100 people will turn out for the meeting in Nampa.

I'll openly admit I engage in plenty of bitching about IDFG, but but in my defense, the survey they did in collaboration with U of I was very telling that Idahoans want opportunity to hunt every year anywhere. Both things are what I gripe about the most. (liberal resident tags, liberal seasons, overcrowding etc)

Also, few to none of the regulation or rule changes are accomplished by attending banquets or meetings. If you want people to attend the meetings, make the changes discussed in these meetings expeditiously. Make it matter. It took us 20 years to get illuminated nocks... I did 20 years of bitching hahaha

 

[HornPorn]

Most of the people who work in the chain restaurants know they are in dead end jobs, so my tip to find a new job is a sound one. And by the way if you do eat out a lot, you have more than likely had something on your food you would not want to know about. People do it just because they can and they think it's funny. Maybe their boss gave them a hard time, so you get a little something extra with you special sauce.

That's like telling a fat person they need to lose weight. You think the average waiter doesn't realize they are pretty far down on the food chain? They are literally bringing you things they ask for. You are the type of classless person that makes waiting such a hard job.

There are a couple of old restaurants I go to on the coast, and have been going there for over 30 years. Some of the waiters have been there the whole time......they don't do it for the money. They live in the same neighborhood as the folks sitting at the tables, and no one would ever dream of talking down to them, or insulting them as you apparently would.

 

[Wildone]

I am disappointed in what has become the commercialization of our sport. It is not helping any of us or the game. Our sport has become a for profit business. The dynamics and outlook of the hunters I grew up and hunted with as a younger man are near extinction. Etiquette and respect of others is fading away. It is now all for me and F the other guy. Everyone wants instant gratification, to be famous or to be a social media influencer all in the name of money and popularity. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Others mileage may vary

 

[CorbLand]

I totally understand, I lived in the east coast for a couple years and it was eye opening. I chose to live where I do and have no complaint about guys coming here from other states to hunt when they draw a tag.

I don’t care if you can get 10 whitetail tags 2 raccoon permits and unlimited skunks on the east coast for $60 as a non resident. The demand for our animals won’t allow the same.


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You can’t compare whitetails equally to muleys/elk simply because you can hunt whitetails in pretty much every state but there are plenty of states that don’t have muleys and even less that have elk.

 

[WCB]

I am disappointed in what has become the commercialization of our sport. It is not helping any of us or the game. Our sport has become a for profit business. The dynamics and outlook of the hunters I grew up and hunted with as a younger man are near extinction. Etiquette and respect of others is fading away. It is now all for me and F the other guy. Everyone wants instant gratification, to be famous or to be a social media influencer all in the name of money and popularity. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Others mileage may vary

Sorry to tell you but the commercialization has helped game across the world. We have very good ranching friends in WY that in the 60s 70s and into the 80s (and definitely earlier) would shoot Antelope on site as they were seen as pests and competition for grass with cattle, as most ranchers saw them and were also doing. Guess what happened when people started to be willing to pay to hunt antelope. All of a sudden they were "worth" something and they no longer viewed them the same.

Now have some aspects perhaps got out of hand....I think absolutely. But it is not like Outfitters just popped up in the last decade, Gun companies, optics, ammo, are business yes ran for profit like outfitters. They have sponsored or pushed their product through "celebrities" or through marketing for decades.

In reality it is a small % of wanna be insta hunters compared to overall numbers. I have literally never seen 1 cell phone or camera out at a trailhead or public hunting spot with guys doing it for social media. The thing is now days a limited number of people's actions can be accessed by the masses easily.

 

[jlw0142]

Yeah, its definitely getting expensive. I have been struggling to decide if this recent push for more hunters is good or bad. Its good in the sense that it prevents us from being taken over politically and having our public land rights taken away, but it also makes hunting so much more expensive and harder to attain good opportunities. Im not sure what the answer is, but I hope we find a balance.

 

[Pdzoller]

was referring to tag/permit quantities.

For example, say the quota area i prefer to hunt has 100 permits available. You as a NR and i as a R apply for the same permit. Theoretically, all 100 permits could all go to NR if the demand was such and the R hunters didnt have enough pref points to draw.

That’s not cool at all.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

was referring to tag/permit quantities.

For example, say the quota area i prefer to hunt has 100 permits available. You as a NR and i as a R apply for the same permit. Theoretically, all 100 permits could all go to NR if the demand was such and the R hunters didnt have enough pref points to draw.

Are you in Washington?


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[cmahoney]

You can’t compare whitetails equally to muleys/elk simply because you can hunt whitetails in pretty much every state but there are plenty of states that don’t have muleys and even less that have elk.

But they keep doing it.


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[Rich M]

That’s not cool at all.

Why not? We got a population of 23 million, maybe a million hunters. Shitty little 3-5-day seasons and low success rates. Noone in their right mind wants to hunt deer here. No problem w not separating the R and NR.

You can come down and hunt deer, hog, turkey, gator, pythons, iguanas, and sambar deer. Just dont expect to catch or kill much. LoL!

Are you in Washington?


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FL
Land of sunshine and disney

 

[FLATHEAD]

I lived down there for 16 years.
God Bless.

 

[Cowbell]

my applications alone out west cost more then my TX lease.

Texas was deeded well before the west even hit statehood.

$3k for year round recreation, fishing and hunting on 11k acres. MLD with unlimited does and culls for kids, so a 4-5 month season. we dont have giant deer but who cares we have lots of animals to hunt. tons of dove, quail, ducks, turkeys and cranes

there is over a million acres of public hunting in TX with much of it only needing $49 public use permit.

I find it funny, someone will drive 12 hrs to another state, buy a 700 plus tag plus 2k in gear and then complain about TX public. That is just lazy.

I hunt public for monsters(170” plus), and use the lease for the kids, since it has way more opportunity then my own place.

not trying to be unsympathetic but I own a sizable ranch/farm with very limited numbers of MD and WT’s and I lease and hunt public.

You hunt public in Texas for 170+? You can't draw Haggerman every year?