“Corner Crossing”…. Shots?

[Reburn]

I'll change it up. Read a Elk hunting article were the hunter flew in a R22 Helo. Killed his Elk and and called for pick up. I'm sure that would ruffle some feathers down in the Glass mtn's. I'll say for the cost it's a good idea. No doubt on how you got there.

I would have to ask but I'm pretty sure a 22 is too small to sling out an elk. They probably still had to gut and quarter. A 44 MIGHT be able to sling one out if its pilot only and elk is gutted.

 

[Weldor]

Deboned and ready to fly.

 

[dirtytough]

It is absolutely illegal.

Every single state? Is it a federal law or have you looked up this specific law in every state?

A buddy found a hillside that holds good whitetail bucks. Best place to glass and see was about 400 yards away from the other ridge. There was a weird triangular piece of private going into the bottom between hills. The game warden said it was legal to shoot across the private from public to public.

 

[Conrad101st]

We have a tract that is L shaped on our ranch. I never thought about it but if was on an inside leg on my property and saw a nice buck on the other leg and had to shoot several hundred yards diagonally across the neighbor to hit a deer on my own land I wouldn’t hesitate unless there was a public road or cows in the way.

EDIT - So I looked around for rules in Oklahoma. In sum you can’t do the following.

1. Shooting from or across a public road, highway, or railroad right-of-way is illegal.

2. Discharging a firearm in a way that could cause harm or damage to others or property is unlawful.

3. It is unlawful to discharge an air pistol, air rifle or air gun into or across any street or ally, or any place where the projectile is likely to hit another person or to injure property.

4. Can’t shoot within 440 yards of a public place like a church or schoolhouse.

In sum, I see nothing inherently against a statute as to shooting across the boundary from a legal position to a legal target. Assuming it doesn’t cross a road, and you are minimal distance from a structure, and there are no cows in the way, and/or your actions are not LIKELY to cause injury; what are they gonna cite you for??

 

[Zzyzx]

I can only speak to Wyoming, but I have never had a warden not get me an answer to my question, might take a day or two if it's a unique question, but they've answered me with certainty and clarity every time.

Ask a Wyoming game warden this bullet question and see what happens.

Wyoming game wardens gave out a lot of wrong information about CC before the court applied common sense to this mess.

 

[go_deep]

Ask a Wyoming game warden this bullet question and see what happens.

Wyoming game wardens gave out a lot of wrong information about CC before the court applied common sense to this mess.

Like I said, risk reward in every decision

 

[nodakian]

Keep in mind the corner crossing ruling was from a federal court regarding a federal statute and federal land. The court clearly disapproved of private owners preventing access to federal land. I also understood the ruling to include the right for federal officials to enter private land to the extent necessary to mitigate a privately caused nuisance which blocks access to federal land.

In a state/private or private/private checkerboard scenario, states have jurisdiction over the corner crossing question, as well as flying bullets. However, if these or similar matters go to a local or state court, they may look to federal court rulings for guidance or insight.

Since the feds have no jurisdiction over private property, they probably would not get involved with shooting across a private corner, although they may notify local LE.

 

[GoatPackr]

Shooting over private land and roads is all illegal. Nothing to do with who owns the land under it.
You can legally walk on a public road but you can't shoot over it. Safety is not always about ownership.

I should clarify. Shooting over private is illegal if you don't have permission.

At least in a couple of western states I've hunted

 

[WBT]

A good way to lose whatever progress we’ve made is to start shooting over private property.

 

[Conrad101st]

Shooting over private land and roads is all illegal. Nothing to do with who owns the land under it.
You can legally walk on a public road but you can't shoot over it. Safety is not always about ownership.

I should clarify. Shooting over private is illegal if you don't have permission.

At least in a couple of western states I've hunted

Roads yes. Land - not so sure.

 

[accountantsanonymous]

I think this is a pretty great question that will eventually come up, now that the corner crossing issue has been decided on.

Does anyone that is of the opinion that it’s illegal have any source that says it’s illegal? There are a lot of firm opinions and not a single source linked. Not saying I disagree, but figured if it was truly illegal, it would be written down somewhere.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Does anyone that is of the opinion that it’s illegal have any source that says it’s illegal?

Do you have a source saying it is legal?

 

[accountantsanonymous]

I see your point, but you and I both know that’s not how laws are defined. Edit* At least in the spirit of this conversation.

I’m just asking a question. People seem to have some pretty stern opinions and I’m curious where that would have come from.

 

[Flyjunky]

Every single state? Is it a federal law or have you looked up this specific law in every state?

A buddy found a hillside that holds good whitetail bucks. Best place to glass and see was about 400 yards away from the other ridge. There was a weird triangular piece of private going into the bottom between hills. The game warden said it was legal to shoot across the private from public to public.

This is the situation I had in my mind when I was reading the OP’s question. In the unit I hunt there is a piece of private in the valley where a small creek is. It’s about 100 yard wide valley that is fenced but the hillsides on each side rise about 600’-1000’ and are public. I’d be curious to see if we could shoot across if we were 3/4 way up and same with the deer on the other side.

 

[Mountain_Life]

Do you have a source saying it is legal?

I don't think that's how laws work...

 

[Conrad101st]

One of the most popular quotes attributed to Ayn Rand is: “The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.”

Laws are written to prohibit behavior, not allow it. There is no law that says you can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Show me a law or court case that has ever been litigated over this.

 

[Mountain_Life]

I think OP's question is fair. Let's leave personal feelings and life moral lectures out of this. If someone can find laws stating that it's illegal or show proof from a GW that says so, I'd like to see it. I've wondered this as well. Like stated earlier, let's leave roads and buildings out. Just public land to public land across vacant private property

 

[wytx]

Bullets are not aircraft, they have no rights to airspace.

Wyoming Statutes Title 23. Game and Fish § 23-3-305. Hunting from highway; entering or traveling through private property without permission; penalty; hunting at night without permission prohibited​

Current as of January 01, 2024
(a) No person shall hunt, shoot, or attempt to kill any wildlife from any public road or highway.
(b) No person shall enter upon, travel through or return across the private property of any person to take wildlife, hunt, fish, collect antlers or horns, or trap without the permission of the owner or person in charge of the property. Violation of this subsection constitutes a low misdemeanor punishable as provided in W.S. 23-6-202(a)(v). For purposes of this subsection “travel through or return across” requires physically touching or driving on the surface of the private property.
(c) No person shall fire any firearm from, upon, along, or across any public road or highway.

(d) No person knowingly shall fire any rifle from the enclosed lands of one person onto or across the enclosed lands of another without the permission of both persons.

(e) No person shall hunt at night upon privately owned or leased lands except with written permission of the landowner or lessee.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

Geeze.
This one takes the internet bad idea of the day award.

It's a very valid question...

Bullets are not aircraft, they have no rights to airspace.

Wyoming Statutes Title 23. Game and Fish § 23-3-305. Hunting from highway; entering or traveling through private property without permission; penalty; hunting at night without permission prohibited​

Current as of January 01, 2024
(a) No person shall hunt, shoot, or attempt to kill any wildlife from any public road or highway.
(b) No person shall enter upon, travel through or return across the private property of any person to take wildlife, hunt, fish, collect antlers or horns, or trap without the permission of the owner or person in charge of the property. Violation of this subsection constitutes a low misdemeanor punishable as provided in W.S. 23-6-202(a)(v). For purposes of this subsection “travel through or return across” requires physically touching or driving on the surface of the private property.
(c) No person shall fire any firearm from, upon, along, or across any public road or highway.

(d) No person knowingly shall fire any rifle from the enclosed lands of one person onto or across the enclosed lands of another without the permission of both persons.

(e) No person shall hunt at night upon privately owned or leased lands except with written permission of the landowner or lessee.

Does that apply to public land? Does "persons" refer to public ownership in this context also?

Is there a disnguinshment here of private to private or public to private? If not, this reads that shooting from private to public is also illegal, unless being public constitutes permission by virtue.

 

[Zzyzx]

This is interesting WY language. But written by a state that misunderstood the law. And written before WY had CC law explained to them by the federal courts.

And, this law only applies to “enclosed lands”, so wouldn’t apply if no fence lines at that corner?

(d) No person knowingly shall fire any rifle from the enclosed lands of one person onto or across the enclosed lands of another without the permission of both persons.