Rich Man's Sport

[9.1]

The fact that you are clearly saying this with a sense of incredulity highlights the issue: You only expect to take from the resource, not give back in any real way other than your dollars.

To answer your question though: We wouldn't hate it if you did!

No incredulity intended. I was genuinely curious if @SDHNTR was asking for dollars or something else. I've never hunted out west. I can't afford it.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

Do you hunt migratiry animals? Ducks, geese, sandhills?

Do you live where the elk and deer migrate across state lines?

folks need to lose the us and them thing. Federal $ comes from everywhere. And no, my state does not differentiate tags by res and nonres,

What state is that? I’ve never heard of a state that didn’t at least charge more for NR license/tags


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[jmez]

Pick up any hunting magazine from the 60's- 80's. Read the letters to the editor. Exact same sentiment as this thread.

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[Rambucsabillbul]

There is NO DOUBT about it.
Hunting is becoming more of a Wealthy man's activity overall.
Just licensing in some jurisdictions is crazy prices, never mind gear, equipment etc.

 

[Rich M]

What state is that? I’ve never heard of a state that didn’t at least charge more for NR license/tags


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yup, licenses should cost more for NR. Never debated that.

Same as for gas, oil, water, electricity, etc. just share the resource.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

yup, licenses should cost more for NR. Never debated that.

Same as for gas, oil, water, electricity, etc. just share the resource.

You said your state doesn’t differentiate between R and NR tags, so you’re saying they charge the same price? I’m confused


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[bigbassin]

You only ended up with 5 pounds of meat so far this season?
Or did you mean your cost so far is $7/lb of meat?

You might say I’m not very good at hunting. When you only get a handful of ducks, your cost per pound will skyrocket .

Missed on two does with the bow, only bucks I saw during rifle were either moving behind thick cover or too small to be legal.

Still hoping for a nice turkey to bring that cost down to $350/pound of meat on the year.

 

[simplepeddler]

Pick up any hunting magazine from the 60's- 80's. Read the letters to the editor. Exact same sentiment as this thread.

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Agreed

 

[Billy Goat]

You said your state doesn’t differentiate between R and NR tags, so you’re saying they charge the same price? I’m confused


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Some states don't charge different for the tags, but you still need a license to use that tag. So it's the NR license is where you get hit.

Don't know if that's the case or not.

 

[MattB]

What do you mean by getting involved with habitat and conversation improvements? Are you saying hunters should have to donate a certain amount to conservation groups on top of paying a states game commission fees for licenses and tags? Do you want non-residents to fly west during the off season to log work hours?

They shouldn't have to, but they should want to. When our ranks are filled with those who want to take but are unwilling to give, it is detrimental to the whole. Those who can't do the on-the-ground work themselves can contribute monetarily to groups that do.

 

[Rob5589]

The future of hunting is not secured by just recruiting more hunters! We don’t need more. We have plenty! Too many. That’s obvious when you look at any Western trailhead in October on public land, or when you examine the increased difficulty of drawing tags. The future of hunting is secured by hunters who care and who get involved with habitat and conservation improvements. Unfortunately, those are not the types being recruited to our ranks by the litany of jackasses on social media. We don’t need more takers just for the sake of adding hunter numbers. We don’t need more demand! What we need is more supply (wildlife). If you don’t do something to contribute to that supply, you don’t deserve to be part of the demand!

I agree fully. Unfortunately most are too lazy to even shoot off an email, fill out a survey, go to a commission meeting, etc. Like many things, they want someone else to handle the real issues.

 

[sneaky]

I reviewed my prior post and see no no judgement as to weather or not I think federal regulation of state lands is a good or bad idea. Just that I consider it a right to hunt at reasonable prices. If the western states are not careful about their policies they may well find politically strong states taking a look at what is happening and thinking about it. I also recall that the US Department of Education was initiated under Ronal Regan of all people. The atmosphere around DC is far more socialist today than during the 80s.

Well, Michigan sure as hell isn't a politically strong state. Hunting out if state is a privilege, not a right. You should get that part straight before you start trying to socialize hunting tags out of state.

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[Customweld]

I agree fully. Unfortunately most are too lazy to even shoot off an email, fill out a survey, go to a commission meeting, etc. Like many things, they want someone else to handle the real issues.

That’s spot on. Idaho is getting ready to start open houses for the next 2 years of seasons. There is no shortage of residents bitching about how IFG manages the animals. I would venture less than 100 people will turn out for the meeting in Nampa.

 

[sneaky]

If you guys want the feds to do something for all Americans regarding public land here “out west”, you can start by letting your out east congressman know that the wild horses and burrows act needs to be addressed. Doing something about those things will get you more critters you can hunt.


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No kidding. I've almost hit feral horses twice in the past week on my way home. They're ruining some good habitat.

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[sneaky]

The ESA is the only thing one needs to look at when the thought of Federal management of wildlife is a good thing comes to mind.

Even the ESA is corrupted. Delist a recovered animal and they just get sued til they relist it. The grizzly situation is a prime example. They've been recovered for decades, but EAJA funds are being used by enviro nazis to circumvent the ESA.

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[sneaky]

Not saying it’s a good thing, not at all.

But this trope that “the Feds have no authority” is patently false, people need to quit repeating it.

States are playing fire when they pass more and more draconian restrictions to nonresident hunting IMO, and the faster they realize it the better off we all are.

States are playing to their base when they restrict nonresidents, but in reality loss of habitat is the root cause of the issues 99% of the time.

The restrictions/mismanagement get bad enough, there is nothing stopping the feds from coming in and managing wildlife on federal land.

I’m not saying that’s a good thing, but I wouldn’t be shocked if that’s what ends up happening if we continue on our current path.

Feds would manage it for the state's residents even if they took control. Loss of habitat is just going to mean that nonresident opportunities are going to disappear first. Residents in ANY state should have first priority when establishing hunting seasons. There's nothing the Feds have touched that they haven't broke.

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[Rob5589]

my applications alone out west cost more then my TX lease.

Texas was deeded well before the west even hit statehood.

$3k for year round recreation, fishing and hunting on 11k acres. MLD with unlimited does and culls for kids, so a 4-5 month season. we dont have giant deer but who cares we have lots of animals to hunt. tons of dove, quail, ducks, turkeys and cranes

there is over a million acres of public hunting in TX with much of it only needing $49 public use permit.

I find it funny, someone will drive 12 hrs to another state, buy a 700 plus tag plus 2k in gear and then complain about TX public. That is just lazy.

I hunt public for monsters(170” plus), and use the lease for the kids, since it has way more opportunity then my own place.

not trying to be unsympathetic but I own a sizable ranch/farm with very limited numbers of MD and WT’s and I lease and hunt public.

3k for all of that sounds like a bargain. Conversely, a single pig two day hunt in CA starts at 800, and that's on the cheap end.

 

[Gobbler36]

I’m relying on the topography. I can’t count how many out of state people I’ve seen with a look of total defeat once they get an actual taste of reality in the “backcountry”. I kinda feel sad for them and their romanticized dreams as I watch them drive around on overcrowded roads because they can’t physically make it.

Hahaha know exactly what you’re talking about. I’m relying on this too

 

[cmahoney]

No kidding. I've almost hit feral horses twice in the past week on my way home. They're ruining some good habitat.

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[Rich M]

You said your state doesn’t differentiate between R and NR tags, so you’re saying they charge the same price? I’m confused


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was referring to tag/permit quantities.

For example, say the quota area i prefer to hunt has 100 permits available. You as a NR and i as a R apply for the same permit. Theoretically, all 100 permits could all go to NR if the demand was such and the R hunters didnt have enough pref points to draw.