Project 2025 and public lands and environment

[ScreamingPotato]

The problem what Doge.gov (other than being a terrible name) is that there’s very little proof there. It’s literally links to tweets of screenshots, or links to Musk tweets, if there’s any evidence at all. And in some cases (“condoms for Gaza”) we know that what they claim the money was being used for, isn’t really an accurate summary of how it was being used.

They keep a page up that says “receipts coming by xxxx” but they keep pushing back the date they’ll provide proof by.

You're right DOGE was a stupid name I'll give you that. You're also right the money probably wasn't for condoms it was likely direct aid to terrorists under Biden admin.

It's been 3 weeks lol, these audits are gonna take a while but it's a great start.

Amazed y'all are so against saving taxpayer money just because who's doing it.

 

[Ozarkansas]

You're right DOGE was a stupid name I'll give you that. You're also right the money probably wasn't for condoms it was likely direct aid to terrorists under Biden admin.

It's been 3 weeks lol, these audits are gonna take a while but it's a great start.

Amazed y'all are so against saving taxpayer money just because who's doing it.

I believe The Gaza condom money was going to reproductive care in Gaza, so OB:GYN clinics, plus HIV prevention in Africa. Was Hamas probably trying to find a way to turn OB/GYN clinics in ammo dumps? Probably. Does that make DOGE’s claim less false? No.

 

[PLhunter]

I believe The Gaza condom money was going to reproductive care in Gaza, so OB:GYN clinics, plus HIV prevention in Africa. Was Hamas probably trying to find a way to turn OB/GYN clinics in ammo dumps? Probably. Does that make DOGE’s claim less false? No.

The Gaza condom claim was one after it was debunked Elon said, “I’m going to say incorrect things”

In this case he was. The number and what was being sent was wildly off. Basically his geniuses couldn’t read and sort a spreadsheet.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/musk-walks-back-administrations-claim-about-50-million-condom-allotment-for-gaza/amp/

 

[PLhunter]

Replanting usually only occurs after logging operations (cutting trees down). Wild fires are a natural and needed event in the forest. Prescribed burns are a way to channel fires away from inhabited areas and into areas of needed regrowth. Fires in the national forests spur on healthy forests period. Go into an area just a few months after a burn and you will see saplings and lush green growth. Smart hunters focus on burn areas.

Replanting is a much bigger deal in winter range vs summer range. It’s critical in winter range to combat succession of 100% invasives.

 

[Poser]

Amazed y'all are so against saving taxpayer money just because who's doing it.

I'd say who's doing it is certainly cause for concern, but the primary concern is the potential for sudden, dramatic, possibly catastrophic destabilization. An example of potentially consequential destabilization might include the firings of FAA employees today.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Today's DOGE wins.
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Maybe Elon’s AI doesn’t work?



I’m all for promoting efficiency and reducing waste. Political theatrics, which, as someone pointed out above are NOT discoverable through FOIA. I trust DOGE as far as I could throw Fat Bastard.

 

[elkhunter505]

@elkhunter505 that reads like a request for recipes on an influencer’s instagram account.

Anyway, it’s good burn weather here in Arkansas but there hasn’t been a federal burn since February 3rd. I’ve heard there’s an exemption from the firings for fire fighters, but no word on burn crew or foresters yet (burn crew might overlap with firefighters I suppose)

Even worse, it reads like a hushin post asking where they should hunt next

 

[Poser]

Came here to post this as well. DOGE claimed that there were 150 year olds claiming social security benefits. Apparently, Musk's team of 19 year olds don't understand COBOL, a 60-year-old programming language that undergirds SSA’s databases as well as systems from many other US government agencies.


Because COBOL does not have a date type, some implementations rely instead on a system whereby all dates are coded to a reference point. The most commonly used is May 20, 1875, as this was the date of an international standards-setting conference held in Paris, known as the "Convention du Mètre."

These systems default to the reference point when a birth date is missing or incomplete, meaning all of those entries in 2025 would show an age of 150.

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However, on Monday morning Musk doubled down, posting a screenshot of what he claims were figures from “the Social Security database” to X, writing that “the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!”

The figures suggested that over 10 millions people aged over 120 were collecting benefits.

“Maybe Twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting Social Security,” Musk wrote.

The database Musk took the screenshot from listed almost 400 million people, which is more than five times the number of people receiving benefits in 2024, according to the SSA’s own website. It’s also significantly more than the entire US population.

The fact that the Social Security system contains millions of entries from people who are dead is likely distinct from a potential COBOL-caused error, and also not news. A report written by the SSA’s inspector general in 2023 found that 98 percent of those aged 100 or older in the Social Security databases are not in receipt of any benefits. The report added that the database would not be updated because it would cost too much money to do so.

Maybe Elon’s AI doesn’t work?

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I’m all for promoting efficiency and reducing waste. Political theatrics, which, as someone pointed out above are NOT discoverable through FOIA. I trust DOGE as far as I could throw Fat Bastard.

 

[JohnJohnson]

The Gaza condom claim was one when challenged after it was debunked Elon said, “I’m going to say incorrect things”

In this case he was. The number and what was being sent was wildly off. Basically his geniuses couldn’t read and sort a spreadsheet.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/musk-walks-back-administrations-claim-about-50-million-condom-allotment-for-gaza/amp/

They also couldn't figure out geography. It's the Gaza province of Mozambique.

I believe The Gaza condom money was going to reproductive care in Gaza, so OB:GYN clinics, plus HIV prevention in Africa. Was Hamas probably trying to find a way to turn OB/GYN clinics in ammo dumps? Probably. Does that make DOGE’s claim less false? No.

Gaza, Mozambique. Not the Gaza people are thinking about. It would be an inconvenient location for a Hamas base given it's 3,400 miles away.

 

[Gila]

Replanting is a much bigger deal in winter range vs summer range. It’s critical in winter range to combat succession of 100% invasives.

I can see how that can be true with the extreme northern pine forests. During drought conditions we get too many wildfires which isn’t natural, primarily in the Wilderness areas where the fires are difficult to put out. Redwoods and other species of pines have evolved to survive fires by dormant buds and carbon reserves. I can see how invasive species could screw things up for the native species.

P.S. I mean we in that my place is 4 miles from a wilderness area

 

[LingCod]

I think everyone is on board with cutting actual wasteful spending.

When this is all over, my fear is that whatever money is “saved” by doge will find its way to the 1% through further tax cuts for the rich.

Back to public lands and Project 2025. Pendley authored Chapter 16. He has been a huge advocate for the outright sale of public lands. We should all agree that this should definitely be a concern for everyone who enjoys and uses these great spaces.

 

[PLhunter]

I can see how that can be true with the extreme northern pine forests. During drought conditions we get too many wildfires which isn’t natural, primarily in the Wilderness areas where the fires are difficult to put out. Redwoods and other species of pines have evolved to survive fires by dormant buds and carbon reserves. I can see how invasive species could screw things up for the native species.

More thinking Great Basin sage brush and bunch grass habitats. Those are extremely vulnerable. The seed investment package from Haaland was going to be huge.

Oregon saw some massive fires in very vulnerable bunch and sage habitat. The Warner unit hit particularly hard because that was very good habitat. Getting those seeds out in mass this year is make it or break it for that awesome zone. It was going to be tight already. This may do that effort in entirely, allowing a cheat and Medusa head mono culture.

 

[robby denning]

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Back to public lands and Project 2025. Pendley authored Chapter 16. He has been a huge advocate for the outright sale of public lands. We should all agree that this should definitely be a concern for everyone who enjoys and uses these great spaces.

We came to lock this thread but then saw this and decided to let it live a bit longer in the hopes it stays on this track about public lands...

up to you all.

 

[fshaw]

You're right DOGE was a stupid name I'll give you that. You're also right the money probably wasn't for condoms it was likely direct aid to terrorists under Biden admin.

It's been 3 weeks lol, these audits are gonna take a while but it's a great start.

Amazed y'all are so against saving taxpayer money just because who's doing it.

Word is that Musk has received nearly $20 Billion in federal contracts and subsidies. I wonder how long it takes Doge to get around to that?

Some federal workers are ‘getting wealthy at taxpayer expense,’ says Elon Musk, whose companies have received at least $20 billion from the government

Musk’s DOGE wants to cut tens of thousands of federal workers, and now it’s aiming at people he thinks are too rich.

fortune.com

You're right DOGE was a stupid name I'll give you that. You're also right the money probably wasn't for condoms it was likely direct aid to terrorists under Biden admin.

It's been 3 weeks lol, these audits are gonna take a while but it's a great start.

Amazed y'all are so against saving taxpayer money just because who's doing it.

Musk has received nearly 20 Billion in subsidies and contracts for his companies despite being the richest man on Earth. That’s what gives me concern about Doge and its ultimate strategy. Although the State Department did put its plan to purchase around $400 Million in armored Tesla trucks on hold, so there is that. Maybe I’m just being paranoid.

 

[Ten Bears]

We came to lock this thread but then saw this and decided to let it live a bit longer in the hopes it stays on this track about public lands...

up to you all.

I am sorry but this thread hasn’t had much to do with public lands. It’s just more of the same handful of characters complaining about things that haven’t happened, never happened, could possibly happen, or just flat out lies involving the current administration they clearly don’t like.

Everyone on this site has the commonality about loving public lands and has always stepped up if threatened. I am sure that will continue regardless of politics.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I am sorry but this thread hasn’t had much to do with public lands. It’s just more of the same handful of characters complaining about things that haven’t happened, never happened, could possibly happen, or just flat out lies involving the current administration they clearly don’t like.

Everyone on this site has the commonality about loving public lands and has always stepped up if threatened. I am sure that will continue regardless of politics.

Lol totally this ^

I'll refrain from replying to the rest now to avoid the lock.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Everyone on this site has the commonality about loving public lands and has always stepped up if threatened. I am sure that will continue regardless of politics.

It's not a lie and it's not a fantasy to see where there could be a major transferal/disposition of federal lands.

Look at the anti-public land sentiment that exists in the current administration.

When people step up, it may very well be too late. I truly hope I'm wrong.

 

[CJ19]

It's not a lie and it's not a fantasy to see where there could be a major transferal/disposition of federal lands.

Look at the anti-public land sentiment that exists in the current administration.

When people step up, it may very well be too late. I truly hope I'm wrong.

people have asked multiple times what the people like you stating this in this thread want people to do. We have 1. join groups 2. write reps

so the same thing we hear every time an issue comes up. is there anything else people want to suggest. not complain about. I am missing a course of action that was suggested in this thread? not jsut directed at you Jsnyder. all participants.

edit: not dismissing those solutions. i will be doing those things. i think everyone can benefit from doing them too.

 

[Ten Bears]

It's not a lie and it's not a fantasy to see where there could be a major transferal/disposition of federal lands.

Look at the anti-public land sentiment that exists in the current administration.

When people step up, it may very well be too late. I truly hope I'm wrong.

You always have great contributions to this site with your input and very clear passion for the outdoors. You have some of the best bird hunting posts going too.. I appreciate it.

There will always be folks that dip the toes in selling public lands, just the way it is. Just like there will always be folks that try to stop hunting or litter these lands with horrid habitat choices such as wind and solar.

We all agree that we should fight this at every step. I could go on and on about how to do so..what bothers me the most has anyone even tried to reach out and talk to them about what makes this land so special ? We have a son of a sitting President who seemingly has his ear and is a hunter. Start there, immediately.

I just dont think this thread or the other threads started by a certain group of people on here are even close to helpful. Even further I am very skeptical of some of the posters, I just can’t see how starting a thread about public lands and follow up with 70 posts a days whining about only very polarized political beliefs is genuine or believable. I also question their sanity and employment at this point also. I will always support robust conversations about wildlife and the outdoors. I just don’t think this has been that.

Have a good night.

 

[Jason Snyder]

people have asked multiple times what the people like you stating this in this thread want people to do. We have 1. join groups 2. write reps

so the same thing we hear every time an issue comes up. is there anything else people want to suggest. not complain about. I am missing a course of action that was suggested in this thread? not jsut directed at you Jsnyder. all participants.

edit: not dismissing those solutions. i will be doing those things. i think everyone can benefit from doing them too.

Hopefully you are making your voices heard as understaffed and underfunded federal agencies are suffering further cuts to the staffing.

Hopefully you are voicing your concern about the freeze on federal funds. Many conservation projects involve grant funding, which is frozen.

Hopefully you are expressing to your congressional delegates how important public lands are to your quality of life, your local economy, and the continuation of the North American model of wildlife management.