Polis proclaims 3/20 “no meat” day in Colorado

[BuzzH]

How does everyone like their nothing burgers?

Because that's exactly what this is.

 

[Okhotnik]

How does everyone like their nothing burgers?

Because that's exactly what this is.

keep deflecting buzz, that's what you are paid for.
anything to make a buck

 

[Newtosavage]

The political atmosphere is much different in Colorado than in Texas.

You should should follow it.

Maybe you're reading too much into it? Everyone seems a bit sensitive and easily offended these days. I wouldn't worry about it personally.

 

[wingmaster]

Sounds like Colorado has gotten crazier since I left that state 10 years ago, I recall seeing the "Don't California My Colorado" bumper stickers when I lived there.. sounds like that train already left the station.

 

[three5x5s]

Humans around the world eat a lot of fish. And we evolved eating wild game, not feedlot-raised, grain-fed meat full of fat and antibiotics.

I didn't take any cheap shots at anyone. I just stated the facts. If you want to take shots at me, I'm out bro.

As I said, I'll take a million head of bison any day. Even a "few million" grazing livestock. But 94 million? Come on man. That's just stupid.

Every time I drive by a feedlot (where most of our beef comes from) I want to puke. Nasty filthy conditions and smells like hell. I can't believe people would actually want to eat anything that came out of there.

There's a damn good reason I put 3 deer/year in my freezer and give a cooler full of venison to my kids when they come home to visit. Beef might be 'Murican as hell and romantic and all that, but I eat as little as possible. Venison and fish for me thanks.

The trouble with coloring outside the lines is that there is always some rule follower that wants to tell you you're doing it wrong. LOL

Dont know how much "destruction of the world" my 7 cows are causing, but they are not stuffed full grain and have NO ANTIBOATICS. Do you really know what's in that Imposter Whopper ? Who funded the studies on its benefits ?

 

[Wapiti1]

By the way, I'd happily take a million bison today. That would be about 1% of the number of cattle in the U.S. right now. https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/Todays_Reports/reports/catl0120.pdf

A typical cow eats over 20 lbs of dry forage a day. That's rougly 8K lbs./year. Multiply that by 93 million (the amount of cows above the 1M number of bison cited above) and you get 744 BILLION pounds of forage being consumed in this country annually by livestock. 744 Billion pounds of stuff that would have gone into creating soil and providing fuel for fires to fertilize that soil. Instead, we use chemicals to treat imported exotic grasses that do nothing for the soil, and we use chemicals to grow grains on land that supports zero wildlife, to feed those cows.

As a hunter, and outdoorsman and lover of nature and wildlife, I'll pass. That's one screwed up system we've managed to create.

And remember, those numbers above are just cows. Nothing about goats or sheep.

I see, thank you for explaining your position. My comments are solely on grazing and the landscape where there are benefits when done well. The studies I cited are forestry and grassland management studies done by the states. I'm well aware that most university work is privately funded.

Cattle as an industry is a much larger and different discussion.

Jeremy

 

[PNW bow hunter]

Almost everything humans do now is “unsustainable”. The cattle industry is destroying the world, the pork industry is destroying the world, the chicken industry is destroying the world, fish farming is evil. Also commercial fishing is bad, we should introduce predators everywhere to “naturally control wildlife populations, so hunting is bad.

Wait, wait, hello, I’m a predator.

Everyday there is something new that that humans do to be outraged about.

News flash

We are one of the species on the planet. Our numbers have been growing since we came into existence. By all metrics we are the apex predators on this planet.

Every time I read about the next cool thing for people to bitch about, I get the same visual in my head. The person complaining is one of the few last people on this planet because everyone else had to choke themselves to death to get the earth back to the utopia where man has no impact on this planet.

Oh, I guess it would just usually be everyone in America should choke themselves out, that’s the main evil country they usually hate.

 

[Newtosavage]

Dont know how much "destruction of the world" my 7 cows are causing, but they are not stuffed full grain and have NO ANTIBOATICS. Do you really know what's in that Imposter Whopper ? Who funded the studies on its benefits ?

My point wasn't that the "impossible whopper" was the answer, it was just an example of alternatives.

Don't get too upset by it. If you have 7 cows that are grazing in a sustainable way and you don't have to supplement their feed by harvesting and providing non-native hay or range cubes cut from farmed alfalfa or whatnot, and you aren't using antibiotics, then congratulations. You're the exception and not the rule.

To get to your level of sustainability, we'd need about 24 million producers just like you who sell half their herd annually. Not sure how that's gonna happen tho.

 

[Newtosavage]

Almost everything humans do now is “unsustainable”. The cattle industry is destroying the world, the pork industry is destroying the world, the chicken industry is destroying the world, fish farming is evil. Also commercial fishing is bad, we should introduce predators everywhere to “naturally control wildlife populations, so hunting is bad.

Wait, wait, hello, I’m a predator.

Everyday there is something new that that humans do to be outraged about.

News flash

We are one of the species on the planet. Our numbers have been growing since we came into existence. By all metrics we are the apex predators on this planet.

Every time I read about the next cool thing for people to bitch about, I get the same visual in my head. The person complaining is one of the few last people on this planet because everyone else had to choke themselves to death to get the earth back to the utopia where man has no impact on this planet.

Oh, I guess it would just usually be everyone in America should choke themselves out, that’s the main evil country they usually hate.

Being outraged about someone protesting or being outraged seems to be a pretty popular activity these days too.

Not sure why people can't just let stuff go anymore. If someone wants to protest or go "meat free" for a day, how about just let them and move on with your life. Just a thought.

 

[Newtosavage]

Sounds like Colorado has gotten crazier since I left that state 10 years ago, I recall seeing the "Don't California My Colorado" bumper stickers when I lived there.. sounds like that train already left the station.

Yea, and I think it's parked somewhere near Austin now. LOL

 

[PNW bow hunter]

Being outraged about someone protesting or being outraged seems to be a pretty popular activity these days too.

Not sure why people can't just let stuff go anymore. If someone wants to protest or go "meat free" for a day, how about just let them and move on with your life. Just a thought.

I had zero outrage, even had smiley faces at the end.

I didn’t even try to suggest what other people should eat, or where they should get their food.

I just pointed out where a majority of food comes from, and the fact that all those industries are deemed “unsustainable “ and evil.

Funny how you never hear anyone complaining about the destruction of low rolling hill country to turn into vineyards. Areas that used to be trill of wildlife and native plants, now a ecological disaster. Deer shot on site. All native plants removed, high fences go up. Same folks that complain about meat probably have no problem with that!

If the commercial meat industry was destroyed like some would like, then what?
Turn all the low winter range into farm land so we can replace all that meat with lettuce, potatoes, and corn. Once again no more native plants, wildlife suffers.

Theres 330 million people in this country. We can’t all hunt, fish, and grow our own food.

In your utopia, what would a persons menu for a day look like, and where would that food come from?

 

[Newtosavage]

I had zero outrage, even had smiley faces at the end.

I didn’t even try to suggest what other people should eat, or where they should get their food.

I just pointed out where a majority of food comes from, and the fact that all those industries are deemed “unsustainable “ and evil.

Funny how you never hear anyone complaining about the destruction of low rolling hill country to turn into vineyards. Areas that used to be trill of wildlife and native plants, now a ecological disaster. Deer shot on site. All native plants removed, high fences go up. Same folks that complain about meat probably have no problem with that!

If the commercial meat industry was destroyed like some would like, then what?
Turn all the low winter range into farm land so we can replace all that meat with lettuce, potatoes, and corn. Once again no more native plants, wildlife suffers.

Theres 330 million people in this country. We can’t all hunt, fish, and grow our own food.

In your utopia, what would a persons menu for a day look like, and where would that food come from?

You make some valid points.

I'm sure somewhere there's a nutritional value to environmental impact scale that could serve as a guide. If there isn't, there should be.

 

[PNW bow hunter]

You make some valid points.

I'm sure somewhere there's a nutritional value to environmental impact scale that could serve as a guide. If there isn't, there should be.

Hey, I can help with that.

For $4.5 million dollars I can provide you with that information.

Just let me know what you want the conclusion to be before I start the research. Once I get the grant money for the "study", it will take me about a year to do all the "research" to come to the conclusion that you wanted.

 

[Newtosavage]

Hey, I can help with that.

For $4.5 million dollars I can provide you with that information.

Just let me know what you want the conclusion to be before I start the research. Once I get the grant money for the "study", it will take me about a year to do all the "research" to come to the conclusion that you wanted.

sigh...

Sadly, that is how a lot of "research" works.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

I been in agriculture my whole life, and run a small farm. Vineyards are destructive wastelands, feed lots even worse, corn, soy, all of the monoculture is bad or not sustainable for much longer. All of it. If you love beef like myself when I’m low on game the best thing to do is buy from a grass fed regenerative cattle rancher and they are all over the place now. Bison ranchers are growing trend also. Once you get used to the taste of grass fed/finished you won’t be able to stomach grain fed beef anymore. I had a grain fed ribeye a few months ago and about puked it up. My last prison meal will be a thick grass fed bone in rib-eye, or elk back strap.

 

[Vandy321]

Maybe you're reading too much into it? Everyone seems a bit sensitive and easily offended these days. I wouldn't worry about it personally.

Says the guy who just spent 3 pages telling us how much all the cows in Texas hurt his feelings?

 

[Newtosavage]

I been in agriculture my whole life, and run a small farm. Vineyards are destructive wastelands, feed lots even worse, corn, soy, all of the monoculture is bad or not sustainable for much longer. All of it. If you love beef like myself when I’m low on game the best thing to do is buy from a grass fed regenerative cattle rancher and they are all over the place now. Bison ranchers are growing trend also. Once you get used to the taste of grass fed/finished you won’t be able to stomach grain fed beef anymore. I had a grain fed ribeye a few months ago and about puked it up. My last prison meal will be a thick grass fed bone in rib-eye, or elk back strap.

Even better if that grass fed beef is grazing sustainably on native range and not imported exotic grasses.

Sign me up for that.

 

[Newtosavage]

Says the guy who just spent 3 pages telling us how much all the cows in Texas hurt his feelings?

I think based on that comment, we can all tell who got their feelings hurt.

 

[Vandy321]

I think based on that comment, we can all tell who got their feelings hurt.

Why would you sob story about grain fed beef hurt my feelings?

 

[Newtosavage]

Why would you sob story about grain fed beef hurt my feelings?

Enough for you to go after me unprovoked. Pretty easy to see whose feelings were hurt. Sorry pal, but you're getting added to my ignore list.