Philosophical ? : non-res moving (permanently) into your neck of the woods-thoughts?

[Takeem406]

I hear Colorado is nice...
Just kidding...

I think the issue was nailed pretty well in the first couple posts.

For the most part Montanans are of a conservative mind. We don't like change and we have a high value in family hard work, God and guns.

It seems now we are getting a huge influence in our culture from the west coast. The towns like my home town of Helena is filling up with hipsters and more liberal minded folk. Then when it's time for the legislature we get gay marriage passed but I cant use my conceal carry permit to provide security for myself and family at Applebee's... Unreal! So you can imagine why we are upset when we see red and white plates driving around. Or when people come in with their big money and buy up or lease out land that was public a year ago.

But on the other hand we need more good Americans to help us by voting and helping the next generation of hunters. Especially now with California's unconstitutional gun laws. I welcome any Californian fleeing that crap!

If you move I'd get Montana plates on your vehicle ASAP and say you moved from Idaho or Wyoming lol







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[Kawabunga]

Being from Hawaii I can say it's pretty much the same there as far as people from CA. not lumping all the CA guys together as i have friends from there, just seems like most of them are from CA. As someone mentioned earlier the problem is when they try to change things, they want to up property values, bring in there "culture" to suit themselves the worst are the enviros trying to bring thing back to the way it was thousands of years ago, except for them living there, hunting is taking a big hit. Growing up the culture was very outdoors, hunting and fishing, i've heard people who move there say there's no culture here, meaning there's none of the stuff that they like, why do you move somewhere with nothing you like?

One guy wrote in to the local paper complaining about the volcano which has been messing up the air quality and affecting property values of course. He basically said with all the the technology why can't they cap the volcano, seriously?

Property values are pretty much out of reach for a lot of locals there, people say we need more construction, more jobs to make more money but where does it end, what if they like living that slow lifestyle, no fancy cars or houses, hunting and fishing all the time seems like a pretty good life to me.

And that's why you also have 100K former Hawaii residents in Nevada.

Oh yeah and about the gun laws, Hawaii is right with CA, they just signed a bill to put all legal registered gun owners on the federal watch list, guess i'm on that list now. Sorry for the little rant , ha,ha....

 

[Where's Bruce?]

The primary problem I see with Californians or others migrating to states such as ID , CO , or MT is when they move to those places and try to change those places and not assimilate. I see this as a MAJOR issue and have lived through this in my home area just north of Lake Tahoe(Yes it is CA BUT very different from most of the states populous regions). City slickers from San Francisco etc. bought up alot of real estate but imported their San Francisco values there bye changing some of the primary factors that made the place great.I am not a fan of this and am not the type to pursue such endeavors.I move places because I like them. I dont move there to change them. I know my friends that moved from here to ID sure as hell didnt want to turn ID into CA . They were sick of CA and wanted what ID had to offer and they had no problem thriving .My 2 cents .

27% of Calif. residents are not from this country! Nobody tried to save us during the invasion so now the rest of you are getting a taste. Don't like the libtard, carmel macchiato/low foam, politically active nut-twisting from immigrants? Stop blaming Calif. it's like blaming the cancer victim for cancer. We're dying here from liberalism and the disease is spreading to your hood. You better register and fight! This nation is dying because of nonvoters who let libtards muck everything up and shred the Constitution.This is why trump is so popular, he's not been part of the problem (not many Republicans in office can say that) JMO...Icould be wrong.

Frankly i like living in a country where people are free to travel and experience new places and have no problem sharing resources WITH OTHER AMERICANS.

 

[Matt W.]

Maybe we should just move to California and take over. Northern California is beautiful, lots of critters to chase, and a pretty decent climate... Just some crazy ideologies we need to change. Should only take a few million of us to make it happen! #rokslidemovement

 

[5MilesBack]

people say we need more construction, more jobs to make more money but where does it end, what if they like living that slow lifestyle, no fancy cars or houses, hunting and fishing all the time seems like a pretty good life to me.

Exactly. These darn city, county, state, and national leaders are so money hungry......they just want to keep growing and growing for all the tax revenue. The quality of life that we once had is now gone. So the search goes on to find a NEW utopia where we can enjoy life to its fullest again without everyone else in our back yard.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Maybe we should just move to California and take over. Northern California is beautiful, lots of critters to chase, and a pretty decent climate... Just some crazy ideologies we need to change. Should only take a few million of us to make it happen! #rokslidemovement

Take back the 55 electoral votes and save the nation! I like it!!! Downside is that most of the state is red altready but the blue counties in LA and along the coast have the masses who want/demand/expect free stuff.

 

[5MilesBack]

Take back the 55 electoral votes and save the nation! I like it!!! Downside is that most of the state is red altready but the blue counties in LA and along the coast have the masses who want/demand/expect free stuff.

This is my opinion.......we are NOT the United Population of America. We are the United STATES of America. The "populations" already get their representation via their Representatives. And each state gets their "2" senators. I believe that each state should get their own "vote" for President based on that state's voting.

 

[Mark]

Maybe we should just move to California and take over. Northern California is beautiful, lots of critters to chase, and a pretty decent climate... Just some crazy ideologies we need to change. Should only take a few million of us to make it happen! #rokslidemovement

The biggest problem with that idea is that the state is 73% Californians. Of which about 3% are reasonable people, political affiliation aside.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

The biggest problem with that idea is that the state is 73% Californians. Of which about 3% are reasonable people, political affiliation aside.

That's untrue. 27 out of 100 are from some craphole country outside the US...then we get all the rejects, losers, wannabes and idiots who got kicked outta their home state cuz they are so weird. Slightly less than half the population is Calif-born and that number INCLUDES anchor babies.

 

[Mark]

That's untrue. 27 out of 100 are from some craphole country outside the US...then we get all the rejects, losers, wannabes and idiots who got kicked outta their home state cuz they are so weird. Slightly less than half the population is Calif-born and that number INCLUDES anchor babies.

Okay, I'll revise my numbers: 3% (+/- 1.5%) of native Californians are reasonable people.

 

[W.D. Crawford]

That's funny because when I was scouting in CO last weekend I commented to my wife that it seamed like every other car was from TX.

That's because people from Texas are buying land up here like its going out of style.

 

[ben h]

One of the perks of living in the US is you can move anywhere you want/can. I work in the construction/land development world and neighbors are often upset with change and I can understand that, but every time I'm approached by an upset land owner, I've always said "the land was for sale when I bought it, why didn't you buy it?". Sort of reminds me of how environmentalists already have their house in the mountains and don't want anybody else to be there.

I totally understand why Californians want to relocate a little further east....their real estate prices are CRAZY! I don't know how young people can even live in some of the places there. A 1,200 sq ft piece of crap in Pacific Grove is worth $900k. Every time I go to a place like that I always wonder, where does the guy who mows the lawn live, or the waitress, etc. It makes no sense to me; their wages are higher, but not by that much.

 

[realunlucky]

Your right that makes everything ok

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[AK Troutbum]

This thread reminds me of a bumper sticker that you would see quite often on vehicles back in the 80s. It said “"Happiness is a Texan headed south with an Okie under each arm.” It was in reference to all the Texans and Oklahomans up here working on the pipeline back in the 70s.


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[Mark]

This thread reminds me of a bumper sticker that you would see quite often on vehicles back in the 80s. It said “"Happiness is a Texan headed south with an Okie under each arm.” It was in reference to all the Texans and Oklahomans up here working on the pipeline back in the 70s.


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Excellent analogy! Pretty much the way the fracking states feel today.

 

[5MilesBack]

I work in the construction/land development world and neighbors are often upset with change and I can understand that, but every time I'm approached by an upset land owner, I've always said "the land was for sale when I bought it, why didn't you buy it?".

The easiest answer is......the land was WAY overpriced to purchase as a personal buffer zone, but as development property where the developer will develop and sell and still make money, the price is fine. Just like some of these ranches that are sold to oil men or Hollywood people. They come in and pay $45 million for a ranch.........how many local ranchers are there that could even dream about buying that to keep someone else out?

I have relatives in Western CO with ranches. Developers were going crazy there and wanted one of their ranches. They wouldn't sell. I'm not even sure how this happened, but then the developer went to court to get the ranch zoned as non-agricultural to force a sale. Ridiculous. It finally ended when my relatives got some help and ended up putting a conservation easement on the property, ending any development hopes.

 

[Cramer]

I am fortunate enough to be a transplant to MT. We came up from Oklahoma last October. I don't see any animosity in the community we are in, but that may be due to remoteness and population (it's not a tourist destination).

I will say that even not being a local, I do catch myself passing judgment on some out-of-staters and tourists, but that is generally to do with their attitudes. Like mentioned before, there is a difference between being somewhere and enjoying it, and being somewhere and trying to change it to fit you.

We have been very lucky and warmly welcomed. Even in terms of hunting and recreation people have been more than happy to help get us started or in contact with others.

We get to enjoy the lifestyle and resources of the mountains without having to deal with the commercial/tourist aspect.


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[LaGriz]

"I totally understand why Californians want to relocate a little further east....their real estate prices are CRAZY! I don't know how young people can even live in some of the places there. A 1,200 sq ft piece of crap in Pacific Grove is worth $900k. Every time I go to a place like that I always wonder, where does the guy who mows the lawn live, or the waitress, etc. It makes no sense to me; their wages are higher, but not by that much."

In the early 2000's, Banks gave loans to the guy cutting grass or the waitress to buy a $850 California home. The Dodd/Frank agenda encouraged them to grant loans to folks that could not sustain the payments. Everyone new this to be true and the trap was set. The SEC was compliant or asleep (under the Bush administration) letting them (big banks) package the loans into neat AAA rated investment tools as a reward for their role in the scam. Individual home ownership hit a all-time high as the politicians took credit for this landmark accomplishment. Meanwhile, as the property values climbed, homeowners refinanced (some of them several times) using the cash equity to make a few payments and to take vacations! It was a house of cards from the jump.

The 2008 crash followed and the GOP lost credibility as they were party to it all. The world sunk into recession and we got BHO for President. Now 7 1/2 years later, we find ourselves in this mess of an economy that has only been made more complicated with BHO and the left's mixture of "crony capitalism" with Socialist goals and big government agendas. All seasoned with an expensive shopping list of left-wing ideals and social change as the media convinced the public that a majority was in agreement, when in fact only a minority was on board with them. Now the national debt is approaching 19 trillion. Behold our choices, we get either Trump or Hillary! That giant sucking sound you may hear.... is my Grandson's chance at a decent life going down the drain. Sorry everyone if I sound too much like Glenn Beck. LOL! LaGriz

 

[5MilesBack]

In the early 2000's, Banks gave loans to the guy cutting grass or the waitress to buy a $850 California home.

Oh it started well before the 2000's. I bought a house in CA in 1997 and the banks were all trying to sell me on an "interest only" loan. I told them they were crazy for even offering such a thing. But they kept peddling them to the average guy out there that couldn't afford a home any other way. Then Slick Willie mandated the sub-prime debacle to also ensure "that everyone had an equal opportunity to home ownership". And it all snow-balled from there. Only an idiot couldn't see everything that eventually came down the pipe.

My sister at the time was in GE Capital's Mortgage division and we both talked about what a bad idea all that was even in '97.

 

[parshal]

I moved to Colorado from Georgia almost 20 years ago now for the fishing. It's amazing how much this place has grown. It's rare to find a true Colorado native. I'm darn near a native compared to everyone else. I hate driving around the Denver area and will drive 30 miles out of my to avoid I-25 and Denver.

I hunt birds in all the surrounding state from September to February. I don't bother hunting Colorado except for elk. There are way too many people. Here's the funny part, though. All the surrounding states dislike Colorado hunters and it's been going on much longer than legalized marijuana. They call people from Colorado "greenies" because of the green license plate. So, in a nutshell, Colorado has gotten the reputation of California.