NY hunters are people too.

[philos]

Helicopter mods

Wow-how clever. Why don't you volunteer for the position.

 

[philos]

I agree. I like it that way. I am on a few also-and they are sh**shows.

Please understand there is a difference between discussions and plain old arguing. If you don't have anything meaningful to add or if you just have to insult someone there are those other sites you reference.

 

[fngTony]

Here is what’s wrong, often a new member starts off on the wrong foot but that doesn’t mean we beat them into dirt. Respectfully point it out then lead by example. If you want to continue with the low brow bullying, ego flexing pissing contests then 24cf is the place not here.

 

[Parkerpusher]

I lived my first 34 years in NY. Once you are an hour outside of NYC, it is a beautiful game rich environment with conservative political views. Unfortunately, all of those people are misrepresented due to the 15 million people in NYC, Westchester, and Rockland County.

For that reason, I packed up my family and moved 2300 miles west 4 years ago and couldn't be happier.

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I used to think I disliked New York. All I knew about the place was the reputation. But I made friends from there through work, and have visited them in the upstate a few times now and I feel completely different. I’ve been gone up there to hunt with them once.

And Texas… thought I liked the idea of it until I spent some time there and had the exact opposite happen.

 

[Yoteassasin]

I dealt with shipping a gun to an FFL in CA once. Never again. I also just exclude CA, IL and NY. It's not worth it at all.

It’s likely there were some massive ignorance going on there . Unfortunately many ffls make up laws to follow so they can get Bucky beaver badges from the BOF . Providing you are not shipping in a prohibited item ( per ca don) there are no hoops to jump through. in-fact non-ffls can ship to ca all day long .
So in my eyes it’s idiots making up laws and the fools that believe them that are the problem .
And as a note I don't know a single Californians who’s family was here before 1950 that is even remotely close to a liberal .
It’s all the weirdos that came here and we are working on shipping them back . So take that

 

[Parkerpusher]

It’s likely there were some massive ignorance going on there . Unfortunately many ffls make up laws to follow so they can get Bucky beaver badges from the BOF . Providing you are not shipping in a prohibited item ( per ca don) there are no hoops to jump through. in-fact non-ffls can ship to ca all day long .
So in my eyes it’s idiots making up laws and the fools that believe them that are the problem .
And as a note I don't know a single Californians who’s family was here before 1950 that is even remotely close to a liberal .
It’s all the weirdos that came here and we are working on shipping them back . So take that

I absolutely believe that

 

[z987k]

It’s likely there were some massive ignorance going on there . Unfortunately many ffls make up laws to follow so they can get Bucky beaver badges from the BOF . Providing you are not shipping in a prohibited item ( per ca don) there are no hoops to jump through. in-fact non-ffls can ship to ca all day long .
So in my eyes it’s idiots making up laws and the fools that believe them that are the problem .
And as a note I don't know a single Californians who’s family was here before 1950 that is even remotely close to a liberal .
It’s all the weirdos that came here and we are working on shipping them back . So take that

Oh there was. I even pointed out the laws to the fll. He was having none of it.
Theres no way for a seller to vet an ffl in those states and it's also kind of hard to keep up with the unlawful rules of the month.
The safest corse of action for me by far is to just not deal with it.

 

[Unclecroc]

 

[Macintosh]

There are 19,867,000 people in NY according to what the google machine says. And over 19,000,000 of them live in the NYC metro area. Its understandable that people
make generalizations about NY based on that.

I grew up in northern NY, about a 5.5-6hour drive north of NYC. The closest metro area was montreal, quebec, not nyc. Still own family property near there. The area there is as conservative as anywhere Ive ever been in texas, wy, idaho, ak, etc. Heck, texas is going to be a blue state before you know it if things keep going the way they are. People who are clueless love to hate on NY,ers and seem to group all of ny and all new yorkers into the same bucket. They are simply ignorant of the fact that most of northern NY is as red as anywhere. Obviously it doesnt help having a massively large megacity a couple hundred miles away dictating much of the politics.
Regardless, navigating the shitshow of laws is a nightmare and I totally understand a business choosing to not do business there.

That said, I also understand the OP’s frustration. At the end of the day a gun business choosing to not do business in NY or CA literally rewards the anti-gun politicians, while punishing the people fighting against them. That smarts, and I have a hard time understanding how people dont see it that way. Personally, if there was a way I could manage my liability reasonably, I would be going out of my way to help beleaguered gun owners in NY and CA. They have enough of a headwind without having the whole 2a community working against them too. We often hear that “we have to stick together” on 2a and hunting issues, and businesses voluntarily punishing like-minded customers because they happen to live in a state whose politics is dominated by a giant metro area, is certainly an example of NOT sticking together.

 

[bpa556]

Thats like california. Love the country..Hate most the people

The feeling’s mutual…


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[Pharmseller]

The feeling’s mutual…


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You like the country but hate most of the Californians too?




P

 

[vmals]

Ca and NY can break off into the ocean and the world would be a much better place.

Says the guy from Oregon lol. Your state is blue and Portland could take the spot as the worse of the worse. 43 percent of NY voted red in the last election vs 55 blue which better than 40/55 of Oregon. Hope in my lifetime we flip it and we almost had Zeldin-R as Gov. in the last election.

NY is such a beautiful state and has so much to offer. You want deer, bear, turkey, striped bass, salmon, trout, bass, tuna, marlin, we got it. I hate the politics but I really come to love this state and I dont have any plans of leaving anytime soon.

 

[Throwin Darts]

You can’t even sell certain clothes in New York, depending on what they are made from, and you’re surprised someone won’t sell you a gun?

 

[BRTreedogs]

Says the guy from Oregon lol. Your state is blue and Portland could take the spot as the worse of the worse. 43 percent of NY voted red in the last election vs 55 blue which better than 40/55 of Oregon. Hope in my lifetime we flip it and we almost had Zeldin-R as Gov. in the last election.

NY is such a beautiful state and has so much to offer. You want deer, bear, turkey, striped bass, salmon, trout, bass, tuna, marlin, we got it. I hate the politics but I really come to love this state and I dont have any plans of leaving anytime soon.

I can own AR15s, sbr’s, suppressors and high cap mags.

Can Ca or Ny?

 

[Boltgun]

I sold to a home-based FFL in NY once. Shipped the rifle USPS, insured, signature required.

He called to inform me that the rifle had been dropped off at a random house three streets away from him. By some unbelievable stroke of luck, the homeowner there knew him personally and dropped off the rifle.

Alls well that ends well, but I could certainly see wanting to avoid that possible scenario…

 

[GSPHUNTER]

I can own AR15s, sbr’s, suppressors and high cap mags.

Can Ca or Ny?

yes, just not legally.

 

[Mtns2hunt]

Seems to me it's about time to lock this thread down. Getting tired of emails popping up with negative alerts. Positive is always.betterfor our sport. Leave the egos behind. jmo

 

[rookieforever33]

Dont judge people by their address. Bad politics happen everywhere. Also dont blame others for not wanting to engage in yours.

 

[Yoteassasin]

View attachment 833806Dont judge people by their address. Bad politics happen everywhere. Also dont blame others for not wanting to engage in yours.

That’s an amazing map

 

[Macintosh]

You can’t even sell certain clothes in New York, depending on what they are made from, and you’re surprised someone won’t sell you a gun?

The difference is the issue. Some materials or products are outright illegal. So ny and ca are a no-fly zone in the case of some things, like the photo above. No one can blame a business for that. And theres plenty of cases where a small business just doesnt know and has to err on the side of caution. And I get it, I have to navigate paying sales tax to 20-odd different states already, its a whole ‘nother kettle of fish to also navigate different state regs on the product itself. Thats all understandable, but its not what the OP is talking about.
The OP is talking about when a business is simply trying to make a statement, and is willfully refusing to go an inch out of their way in order to send that message. The problem is the statement they’re making is telling their friends to F off, and doing exactly what the anti-gunners want. It has exactly the opposite effect the business wants it to have, it helps no one except the anti-gun people, and it’s exactly the opposite of “the 2a community has to stick together”.

It seems to me that it would be in the best interest of everyone— and would actually send the right message—if some of the national gun organizations could provide some assistance (maybe even insurance?) to small business owners to help them navigate the regs to do business in Ca, NY, MA (and the other blueish states like Oregon, Colorado, etc who will be in the same predicament soon if we aren’t careful).