Stid2677
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The second part of the proposal allowing a NR to take guide required species on behalf of a resident permit holder was struck down. Only the portion I posted passed.
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The second part of the proposal allowing a NR to take guide required species on behalf of a resident permit holder was struck down. Only the portion I posted passed.
Thanks for posting YK. Frankly I think that is a great proposal.
We've never taken more than one ram off of the mountain per hunt/year as an Ak resident family anyway.
There are some great comments here, Perry, Steve...others.
It is absolutely a 'follow the money' scenario and really disgusting. The state, transporters, (a subject for another thread), non-res guides.
One thing I have found though...After becoming a non-resident I noticed the passion of sheep hunting for those going to Alaska to chase to sheep.
People think that these are rich doctors and lawyers with money to burn....not the case. There are those fellas, but many of the guided clientele are younger, hard working blue collar guys who save long and hard for that opportunity. These are guys that are up at o'dark-thirty running down the lower 48 road with their packs on...training in mud races throughout the year. These guys aren't coming to AK to go home empty handed!
I've sheep hunted as heard as anyone on this forum, but in the end I headed back to Fairbanks to get to work (as a teacher), with the possibility of returning to the mountians or tundra for sheep, caribou, goat, moose, blacktail, etc. The thought of not harvesting wasn't the end of the world. Although we got after it pretty hard.
These non-res fellas don't have that thinking--they are all in. 20K makes for A LOT of incentive.
Thanks for posting YK. Frankly I think that is a great proposal.
We've never taken more than one ram off of the mountain per hunt/year as an Ak resident family anyway.
There are some great comments here, Perry, Steve...others.
It is absolutely a 'follow the money' scenario and really disgusting. The state, transporters, (a subject for another thread), non-res guides.
One thing I have found though...After becoming a non-resident I noticed the passion of sheep hunting for those going to Alaska to chase to sheep.
People think that these are rich doctors and lawyers with money to burn....not the case. There are those fellas, but many of the guided clientele are younger, hard working blue collar guys who save long and hard for that opportunity. These are guys that are up at o'dark-thirty running down the lower 48 road with their packs on...training in mud races throughout the year. These guys aren't coming to AK to go home empty handed!
I've sheep hunted as heard as anyone on this forum, but in the end I headed back to Fairbanks to get to work (as a teacher), with the possibility of returning to the mountians or tundra for sheep, caribou, goat, moose, blacktail, etc. The thought of not harvesting wasn't the end of the world. Although we got after it pretty hard.
These non-res fellas don't have that thinking--they are all in. 20K makes for A LOT of incentive.
It's also why when one of you hire a guide and show up on your Alaska Dream hunt with a "30 year Registered Master Guide" chances are more likely than not that you will be hunting with one of his non-resident assistant guides. Perhaps a 20 YO College kid and his first or second time in the Sheep Mtns. So, the state makes you, a NR pay $15000 because you're a NR to hunt with a NR. Your "30 year Registered Master Guide" may only be the guy flying you out to base camp and back to the airport.
It's good business for the guide outfit. Guides can hire as many assistant guides as they want. The Registered Guide himself is NOT required to accompany the client in field. Do the math.
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How does Alaska normally handle rule changes like this one? Will it be retroactive or beginning in 2016 season for the 1 in 4? Seems like if you had a deposit down for this year and had killed a sheep in say 2013 you might have a serious issue.
It amazes me that over 40% of sheep in Alaska are killed by NRs. I am not completely familiar with the situation beyond what I have read in this thread but it seems like many options could be implemented that would help sheep herds. I do not believe that the 1:4 rule will help. The number of NR hunters that return during that short of a time period must be a tiny percentage of all NR hunters. Removing the rule requiring that NRs use outfitters would certainly reduce success rates but it would increase the number of NRs coming to hunt unless another control was put in place. Most people here seem to agree that most people would be happy with just one or two sheep in their lifetime and that even some residents can't hope for any better. So would it be such a hardship to put a lifetime limit on the number of sheep that a NR can kill? Maybe 2? Without the outfitter requirement it suddenly becomes more affordable for your average Joe to hunt alaska sheep, with a lifetime limit and the financial ability to return again NR may become more selective than if they have paid $20 K and are feeling the pressure to not go home empty handed.
It amazes me that over 40% of sheep in Alaska are killed by NRs.....
You just stated the Tom Shankster Alaska Trophy Hunts business model
If I remember correctly. In some Game Management Units it's higher.
Doesn't the NR sheep take include NoK harvests? Or were those considered with the resident harvest?
If I recall Tom's lecture a few years ago, he was not able to tease out the NOK from NR as its not compiled by F&G that way. NR is NR no matter who takes them into the mountains.
Personally, with resident success rates so low, I would hazard a guess that NOK hunters would not be any more successful than residents. With the NOK to the Proving Trail dudes being the exception.
Very interesting thread and good discussions. As a NR, I also dream of someday having the chance to chase sheep. Personally, I wouldn't mind a NR draw as long as the guide requirement was dropped. This would still allow control over the numbers of hunters and hopefully reduce some of the strain on the walk in areas.