National red flag law

[Wyobohunter]

To be fair, even though I occasionally call myself a Republican, I'm really more just anti government at this point. This place is wild lately, I'm just going to ignore these political posts for a bit....you fellas enjoy.

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Probably a good idea for all of us really. I don’t know how I allow myself to get sucked in.

 

[Wrench]

Trying to impose reasonable solutions upon unreasonable men is, unreasonable.

There's not a thing that a reasonable person, regardless of race, color, religion nor political party is going to say to someone who is capable and willing to initiate heinous crimes.

Your best bet is not to rely on the government to save you, but be prepared.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Trying to impose reasonable solutions upon unreasonable men is, unreasonable.

There's not a thing that a reasonable person, regardless of race, color, religion nor political party is going to say to someone who is capable and willing to initiate heinous crimes.

Your best bet is not to rely on the government to save you, but be prepared.

How do I be prepared for a school shooting without governmental assistance? I can’t be in school with my kids and I certainly can’t be there armed. Someone mentioned having some armed veterans take jobs at schools. So long as there were some pretty deep background checks involved I can’t say I’d be against the idea. I think you are right that lunatics who would do such terrible things are probably beyond reason. I feel that combat veterans would be much less likely than your average cop to stand around outside while someone is killing kids inside. Either party is capable of introducing legislation. If the GOP introduces a better bill I’m all for it. We can’t pretend it isn’t a problem or that it will just go away.

 

[Wrench]

How do I be prepared for a school shooting without governmental assistance? I can’t be in school with my kids and I certainly can’t be there armed. Someone mentioned having some armed veterans take jobs at schools. So long as there were some pretty deep background checks involved I can’t say I’d be against the idea. I think you are right that lunatics who would do such terrible things are probably beyond reason. I feel that combat veterans would be much less likely than your average cop to stand around outside while someone is killing kids inside.

Home school.

You saw how the government protected the school. They hung signs up that said don't do bad things....but bad things were done. They had tactical teams enter in just an hour and a half.

If you rely on anyone beyond yourself, you accept their decisions.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Home school.

You saw how the government protected the school. They hung signs up that said don't do bad things....but bad things were done. They had tactical teams enter in just an hour and a half.

If you rely on anyone beyond yourself, you accept their decisions.

We do homeschool one of our kids. The other kid wants/needs the social aspect. That answer doesn’t work for most. We are fortunate enough that my income is enough so it is an option for me.

Wages have not nearly kept up with inflation starting around the early 1980’s and the income gap has grown enormously from then on. Providing for a family on a single income is not a realistic solution for the majority of Americans. Therefore homeschooling is not a realistic solution. That’s all before addressing the challenges faced by single parents.

What school and what signs are you talking about? Can you be more specific? When you say tactical teams enter in just an hour and a half are you saying that is fast or slow?

You, me, we all rely on someone other than ourselves for protection. It’s a big part of why we pay taxes and our defense spending eats the biggest share of our contribution.

 

[Wrench]

By all means, tell me the answer.

In the last 30 years we've introduced violence as normal television, given every breathing soul a smartphone, medicated unruly children...many if not most being from broken homes, we've legalized drugs and criminalized self defense.....this list could go on for longer than I am willing to type, but....I'll just say that everything we've done has obviously not been the right answer. We were better off when you could come to school with your gun and mail order a Thompson.

 

[Wyobohunter]

We were better off when you could come to school with your gun and mail order a Thompson.

Agreed.

I don’t agree with all of your analysis but I do agree with some of it. I don’t know the answer so I won’t pretend I can give it to you. We could start by working on narrowing the income gap and dedicating more resources to mental health. And if a person is talking about doing horrific things I think a red flag type action makes sense.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Agreed.

I don’t agree with all of your analysis but I do agree with some of it. I don’t know the answer so I won’t pretend I can give it to you. We could start by working on narrowing the income gap and dedicating more resources to mental health. And if a person is talking about doing horrific things I think a red flag type action makes sense.

How exactly do you propose we go about narrowing the income gap?

Maybe the gov can quit spending our money and get inflation under control so EVERYONE can afford more things.

 

[Wyobohunter]

How exactly do you propose we go about narrowing the income gap?

Maybe the gov can quit spending our money and get inflation under control so EVERYONE can afford more things.

Cut corporate welfare programs and increase the minimum wage to get back in alignment with the cost of living. Stop Union busting. Make the super rich pay their taxes and increase all wages to get back in alignment with the cost of living.

There was a time during my life when an average working man could support his family and live pretty well. I was a little kid but it was during my lifetime. I’m not very old. My mom didn’t have to work.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

We do homeschool one of our kids. The other kid wants/needs the social aspect. That answer doesn’t work for most. We are fortunate enough that my income is enough so it is an option for me.

Wages have not nearly kept up with inflation starting around the early 1980’s and the income gap has grown enormously from then on. Providing for a family on a single income is not a realistic solution for the majority of Americans. Therefore homeschooling is not a realistic solution. That’s all before addressing the challenges faced by single parents.

What school and what signs are you talking about? Can you be more specific? When you say tactical teams enter in just an hour and a half are you saying that is fast or slow?

You, me, we all rely on someone other than ourselves for protection. It’s a big part of why we pay taxes and our defense spending eats the biggest share of our contribution.

Defense spending does not eat up the majority of your taxes nor the federal budget. That would be entitlement spending, to include medicare, SS, welfare, etc. far larger portion of the budget than defense spending. Look it up, its really easy to see the real numbers and it is easy to get duped by the media trying to hide those numbers.

The other issue is your federal tax dollars do nothing to lay for local school issues. You know this i am sure. State and local twxes pay for school related issues which is by design so you can directly affect what happens locally by your local vote.

Defense and homeland security spending is only 16% of the federal spending. Facts matter. Hardly the majority of our taxes when SS takes 25% and federal healthcare takes 25%, welfare and other entitlements take another 16%…

 

[Wrench]

We've created a system that is designed break apart families. Men are villans in the eyes of court. Divorce is easier to get than a marriage license.
Every person is willing to have $100 a month bill for a phone that absorbers their time and curtails their information.....all while we've quit using tools and making stuff with things....Doing hard things.

We're ready to have a majority of strangers decided how we should act, talk and recreate.

Live and let live is difficult because it's often not easy to watch someone else do things we would not, but that is freedom and it teaches us that peace and justice are not always the same thing.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Defense spending does not eat up the majority of your taxes nor the federal budget. That would be entitlement spending, to include medicare, SS, welfare, etc. far larger portion of the budget than defense spending. Look it up, its really easy to see the real numbers and it is easy to get duped by the media trying to hide those numbers.

The other issue is your federal tax dollars do nothing to lay for local school issues. You know this i am sure. State and local twxes pay for school related issues which is by design so you can directly affect what happens locally by your local vote.

Defense and homeland security spending is only 16% of the federal spending. Facts matter. Hardly the majority of our taxes when SS takes 25% and federal healthcare takes 25%, welfare and other entitlements take another 16%…

I didn’t say it eats “most”. I said it takes “the biggest share”. You are probably right about entitlement programs actually taking the biggest share. Especially now that the baby boomers are drawing social security. That doesn’t change the point. We all rely on someone else for our defense. Also, most schools in most states take federal tax dollars. Some of the ones that don’t have some of the worst education systems. Oklahoma being one example I have personally experienced. That’s when we started homeschooling because the public schools were garbage.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

I didn’t say it eats “most”. I said it takes “the biggest share”. You are probably right about entitlement programs actually taking the biggest share. Especially now that the baby boomers are drawing social security. That doesn’t change the point. We all rely on someone else for our defense. Also, most schools in most states take federal tax dollars. Some of the ones that don’t have some of the worst education systems. Oklahoma being one example I have personally experienced. That’s when we started homeschooling because the public schools were garbage.

Biggest share=most unless i am ignorant too….anyway, you need to realize and admit when you have spoken out of turn.

The bottom line is you quoted something straight out of the MSM lie pool (defense spending is the biggest portion of the federal budget) and i showed it was not even close to being true, and you still clamor on about the lie.

When i deal with kids that tell something just patently false, i tell them to grow up, accept their wrong, and learn from it. In your case you seem to he a fairly middle aged guy, there isnt anyone changing your behavior or thoughts, so have a good one man….

 

[Wyobohunter]

.....all while we've quit using tools and making stuff with things....Doing hard things.

I think we can at least partially thank the generation that sold most of our manufacturing jobs overseas to maximize personal profit for that one.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Biggest share=most unless i am ignorant too

If you eat most of a cake you’ve eaten more than 50%.
When there are several slices of cake (3 or more). One of those slices can be the biggest slice and not be more than 50% of the cake. It’s the biggest slice but not most of the cake. Or if you’d rather we can talk about pie…We can continue being pedantic or talk about the issue.

 

[Wyobohunter]

The bottom line is you quoted something straight out of the MSM lie pool (defense spending is the biggest portion of the federal budget) and i showed it was not even close to being true,

It’s a difference of 9%. Which is statistically significant. I’m cool with being corrected on a mistake. It wasn’t the point though. I could see you getting so worked up about the mistake if we were debating defense spending and I was suggesting that we spend too much. You focused on the least important part of what I said.

We all depend on someone else for our security. Wether the budget portion is 16% or 25% is irrelevant to that point.

Think about and discuss the issue instead of getting granular about things that don’t support any point on topic. We could probably learn a little something from each other.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Ok lets get real then, are you for or against any MORE infringements on a US citizens rights to hear arms?

Simple yes or no answer will suffice

 

[Wyobohunter]

Ok lets get real then, are you for or against any MORE infringements on a US citizens rights to hear arms?

Simple yes or no answer will suffice

I think you should be allowed to fire at will without hearing protection if that’s what floats your boat. I wear earplugs

Couldn’t resist that… sorry.

I’m against.

I do not want the second amendment altered and I don’t want more gun laws. That’s part of why I live where I live. Wyoming has some of the least restrictive gun laws of all the states. I have a concealed carry permit, I don’t need one here but I travel on occasion. I own an M1 Garand, three AR-15’s, several high capacity magazine pistols and various hunting rifles, shotguns and a couple of big honkin revolvers. Being against gun violence and mass shootings doesn't make a person anti 2A. Having some leftist views doesn’t make a person anti 2A.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

the reason being accurate in fact and words is important is because it makes it difficult to take anyone seriously if they are quoting such misrepresented facts. If you say the biggest share of something is 16% and i show you there are at least three other shares bugger, and you then argue with me “its only 9% and stick with the gist of what i am saying”, its hard to take you seriously since you are so loose with your definitions. How am i supoosed to know if your “shall not infringe” actually means “not to be impeded or restricted” because maybe you think it means something completely different, or maybe you think “the right of the people” means to you “the govt” and not “the citizens”….do you see where i am coming from?

Federal spending for defense is 16%. SS is 25%. Federal healthcare is 25%. Non-healthcare entitlement is 16%.

Which is the biggest share? Which is the most? My answer is the same…very different from your answer likely.

And thats why it is near impossible to deal with people who change definitions and are loose with facts, you just never know what you are actually arguing about at any given time because the goal posts move constantly….as we have seen in this thread.

 

[Wyobohunter]

the reason being accurate in fact and words is important is because it makes it difficult to take anyone seriously if they are quoting such misrepresented facts

I wasn’t quoting anyone. From what I remember it was the case the last time I looked into it. Apparently it has shifted. Likely since the baby boomers started drawing social security en masse. That is a guess and also has no bearing on the point.