Mtn Lion Ban Filed in Colorado

[BWise5707]

Best part is the hippies on the frontrange will feel it soon enough, heck that cat last year picked off like 10-20 pups in Rollinsville in a matter of weeks. But call it “trophy hunting” and lie about how hounds are unethical, and how it serves no purpose and it’s all over but the crime

This! As soon as these people start losing their pets, they may change their perspectives on the cute and cuddly big kitties.

 

[Hackleback]

2 brothers attacked by mountain lion in California 'driven by nature', family says

Two brothers have been identified as the pair who were attacked by a mountain lion in California. One brother was killed and the other survived.

www.usatoday.com

 

[TheTone]

Just got back from a walk with my girlfriend at Sloan's Lake, the Cats Against Trophies people are out in full force right now "educating" the yuppies on their afternoon strolls.

Sounds like a good opportunity for hunters to be out doing the same

 

[Cruebee]

Anyone have any input as to what individuals can do to help prevent tis from going forward or getting worse? Like who should we be writing letters to and calling the office of and so on?

 

[Cruebee]

Currently they are trying to gather signatures to get it in the ballot they need 100,000 plus signatures in 90 days, so they will likely hit that, then it will be on the ballot in November so educate every voting Co resident adult you know to not vote for it

Yeah, pretty much one day at the right Whole Foods and it is on the ballot.

The language is also so shitty in the initiative. It is basically a starting point/jumping off point to ban all hunting. Not just lion hunting. I'm trying to talk to as many people as I can about it and provide the real facts, not this ballot box conservation.

North American Conservation model has been proven effective for years. No reason for Colorado to start trying to fix what isn't broken.

 

[UncleBone]

I have been wondering if I will see one of these trolls gathering signatures in Gunnison. Seems unlikely, although possible. If I do, I will spend at least an hour or two countering his b.s. with the truth to any potential signers. Since they aren't getting paid, maybe they would just leave.

 

[Cruebee]

Yep they lead off the signature gathering speech by calling it “trophy hunting” and use a bunch of BS talking points.

And that is where the language gets scary, and can be shifted, and manipulated to target ALL hunting. This is super important that we not let this pass in Colorado, so we don't set the precedent across the country.

Trophy hunting, as defined by them, is targeting, and taking a specific animal basically. Furthermore, it seems like they don't even give a shit if you take the meat. Like, if you take the meat, but also plan to make a mount, or take a part of the carcass for display, that is trophy hunting.

So eventually, even though you fed your family and friends with that big Colorado bull, if you take those antlers, if you mount that bull, aren't you now a trophy hunter based on their language in this proposition?
These anti-hunters are sneaky little jerks, and if we aren't paying attention, we could very well start losing more than just lion hunting here, and across the country. A very slippery slope.

 

[Cruebee]

Saw this a couple days ago, makes me sick… I hope we can fend it off. But with the language used to craft the bill and the current order of Co it will be a tall order if not impossible.

If we are smart, and we talk to enough people, we can fix this I think. Over 3 Billion dollars in revenue come from hunting/fishing license sales in Colorado. We need to make more people aware of this.

We also need to ensure that people realize that this ban can lead to a full ban on ALL hunting. The "trophy hunting" language they use is very very broad, and they can easily swap out lions, for say, elk, deer, moose, heck, raccoons.

This is a dangerous road that Colorado is about to take, and we all can do our part and talk to everyone we know about this legislation, and make sure they vote no. We can't let this pass because all hunting is at risk, and if it starts somewhere, it is only a matter of time before it spreads everywhere.

Anti-hunters have a lot of money to throw at their campaigns, but in theory, we are more passionate about our public lands, and how they are managed than they are. We've been paying into the system that actually fixes shit out there for years, and now we need to pull our weight, and raise our voices against this anti-hunting legislation.

 

[Cwagsta]

Had a wild thought… maybe all these anti cat hunter types have toxic-plasmosis and really this whole movement is spurred by a gut dwelling parasite that is looking out for self preservation by using a bunch of cat ladies to continue the parasitic life cycle… this theory makes the most sense to me. I think they all need to be tested to ensure it’s not just the parasite controlling their brains…

This is really quite funny, thank you.

It is really sad how removed from the natural world our country has become. Too many people that live in cities where their extent of seeing wildlife is from a zoo or park, if that even. We hunters have, in my estimation, an obligation to educate as many of them as we can. Otherwise they get so backwards thinking that it looks like they have a parasite controlling their brain


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[bayoublaster7527]

Best thing we can do is donate to CRWM www.savethehuntcolorado.com, tell all your friends, colleagues, co-workers, family, etc to vote no, don’t sign the petition, and explain how bad this initiative would be for wildlife. Also make sure every hunter you know votes. The margin on wolf reintroduction was so close that if every hunter voted it could have possibly changed the outcome.

 

[MeatInTheFreezer]

Best thing we can do is donate to CRWM www.savethehuntcolorado.com, tell all your friends, colleagues, co-workers, family, etc to vote no, don’t sign the petition, and explain how bad this initiative would be for wildlife. Also make sure every hunter you know votes. The margin on wolf reintroduction was so close that if every hunter voted it could have possibly changed the outcome.

I agree with everything said here. Make sure every friend you have, knows about this issue. So many hunters I talk to have no idea this is happening. Hunters as a group need to be better informed and it starts with each of us talking to our own group. We must be united and on the offense, not on the defense.

 

[Dirtbag]

All, I just encountered my first petitioner outside of a king soopers today. Apparently in Colorado they are protected by law, however I was able to “file a formal complaint “ with the store manager, not against the petition , but against the petitioner herself to get her kicked out of the parking lot.

I encourage you all to try doing the same if you encounter it.

 

[dylanvb]

Just read on outdoor life they are paying petitioners $5-$7 a signature gathered. I’m curious how this is even legal considering they are more then likely lying to these people to get the sigs?

Anti-Hunting Groups Are Running a Paid Signature Campaign to Ban Cougar Hunting in Colorado. Conservation Orgs Launch “Decline to Sign” Effort

Anti-hunting organizations are paying people to collect signatures in an effort to put a big cat hunting ban on Colorado's ballot this election.

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[fishslap]

They were out in force gathering signatures at the Boulder County farmers market in Longmont several weeks ago. There was a line of older women waiting to sign.

 

[dylanvb]

They were out in force gathering signatures at the Boulder County farmers market in Longmont several weeks ago. There was a line of older women waiting to sign.

I have only seen petitioner's in Boulder county during regular working hours (9-5) They only want the older signatures. I walked passed a table and they didn't even bother to ask me to sign anything. I was in work clothes as well, nothing to give off I am a hunter other then an amazing beard.

 

[jpr9954]

Just read on outdoor life they are paying petitioners $5-$7 a signature gathered. I’m curious how this is even legal considering they are more then likely lying to these people to get the sigs?

Anti-Hunting Groups Are Running a Paid Signature Campaign to Ban Cougar Hunting in Colorado. Conservation Orgs Launch “Decline to Sign” Effort

Anti-hunting organizations are paying people to collect signatures in an effort to put a big cat hunting ban on Colorado's ballot this election.

www.outdoorlife.com

It would be interesting to know just what percentage of the monies supporting this are actually coming from within Colorado. If I had to guess, not much.

 

[dylanvb]

Would be interesting to see. I took a look at the organization behind the ballot measure and their website spews nonsense and doesn't actually provide any science backed evidence. Its amazing how much misinformation is out their. They should go look at California for a case study but that won't help their argument

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Just read on outdoor life they are paying petitioners $5-$7 a signature gathered. I’m curious how this is even legal considering they are more then likely lying to these people to get the sigs?

Anti-Hunting Groups Are Running a Paid Signature Campaign to Ban Cougar Hunting in Colorado. Conservation Orgs Launch “Decline to Sign” Effort

Anti-hunting organizations are paying people to collect signatures in an effort to put a big cat hunting ban on Colorado's ballot this election.

www.outdoorlife.com

They are paying the signature gatherers $5-$7 per signature, not the people signing.

 

[dylanvb]

They are paying the signature gatherers $5-$7 per signature, not the people signing.

yes. Would that not incentivize you to lie to gather a signature? I guess my argument is more a morale's then legality.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

It would be interesting to know just what percentage of the monies supporting this are actually coming from within Colorado. If I had to guess, not much.

Your guess would be correct. Wayne Pacelle, disgraced former Humane Society CEO, is bankrolling most of it.