Montana Rifle Co, Shoot2Hunt, and Rokslide Rifle

[wind gypsy]

The internet: why won’t companies work with people to make and offer better products and services without being sleezy or putting profit above all else?

Companies/people: ok, we’ll make and offer something better, and we’ll tell you and show you why, and we’ll do it for an honest price.


The internet: No. Now those people are just money grabbers, biased due to profit.

Companies/people: The person isn’t getting paid

The internet: What a fuggin idiot, how stupid- mommy and daddy must be paying for them.

The company/people: Ok. Keep being only offered junk and sub-par gear and being fed BS from the industry.

Didn’t mean the trust fund thing literally or to be derogatory. Just seems like the whole S2H school is your deal with a ton of time and effort invested. With how much $ people are paying, it just seems crazy that you wouldn’t be compensated for your efforts.

Getting paid for training is a far cry from shilling or representing brands. I can’t see how it would hurt anyone’s credibility.

 

[gbflyer]

Pretty cool. Good for you guys.

 

[Formidilosus]

Didn’t mean the trust fund thing literally or to be derogatory.

Oh I know you didn’t. Just what has been said.

Just seems like the whole S2H school is your deal with a ton of time and effort invested. With how much $ people are paying, it just seems crazy that you wouldn’t be compensated for your efforts.
Getting paid for training is a far cry from shilling or representing brands. I can’t see how it would hurt anyone’s credibility.

I mean, one would think. But this thread isn’t the first time people have claimed that I now am “biased” because of S2H- never mind that I don’t get paid, and that I am, and have been critical of several things done by all of the companies. I’m doing the classes, gear development and testing because it needs to be done- not to make money. The other teachers for S2H do get paid.

I am critical about everything done and there is zero bias or nonsense that I will participate in.

 

[HighUintas]

It’s a ways away from more/different models. I imagine it will depend on whether the market responds favorably to a company actually trying to do better, versus just copying what everyone else is doing.

Yes I understand that. I'd really like to get one (this first model maybe in 6ccm) at some point. Hopefully they do well and are still selling by the time I've got the funds

 

[mt100gr.]

Is there anyone on the development and/or marketing end of this that would be interested in doing a gear seminar? Seriously asking. Early March '25. The "smaller cartridges" stuff could explode some heads, too. It would be the "drinking from a fire hose" information overdose version, but I think it would be valuable. And sheep hunters are the ones with the coin to play this game.

Sell it.

 

[HighUintas]

Oh I know you didn’t. Just what has been said.






I mean, one would think. But this thread isn’t the first time people have claimed that I now am “biased” because of S2H- never mind that I don’t get paid, and that I am, and have been critical of several things done by all of the companies. I’m doing the classes, gear development and testing because it needs to be done- not to make money. The other teachers for S2H do get paid.

I am critical about everything done and there is zero bias or nonsense that I will participate in.

I think many people wonder if you're wealthy/retired and have connections to be able to affordably shoot and hunt so much or if you have a job in or related to the industry that allows you to be able to do what you do and not get paid for the things you say you've not been paid for, or if you're weirdly superhuman and can somehow work an entirely unrelated full time job, maybe have a family, and still shoot/hunt/etc as much as you do.

It's curious.

Regardless of the reason you're able to, I'm glad you're able to provide the experience and knowledge to make improvements without any financial biases.

 

[mtnbound]

It's pretty straightforward if you go through the MRC rifle review to see that @Formidilosus isn't showing any favoritism for this rifle and is pointing out several issues. I think it's great that a company sends out a product for an honest evaluation. This differs from the usual practice, where evaluators find no issues or problems. Will it replace my Tikkas? No, because I am one of those guys who would still tear that rifle apart and redo everything for myself, and I have been told that I do not have a problem short-stroking. I find the rifle interesting because if the company does what is being said, they are stepping up to a level that is, unfortunately, lacking anymore, and I would want to support such a business.

 

[Marbles]

@Formidilosus I do believe this project is a good one. I also appreciate the advances in equipment you have caused (I own 2 RokStoks, and have UM bolt handles on both my Tikkas). As a gear head, I like it and would be looking at lesser things to buy if those were not available.

However, with the advent of those, the lack of SWFAs, and the ever increasing price of a Tikka, it feels more and more like trying to buy skill when recommending things.

No longer is it a $600 Tikka, $40 vertical grip, $40 Sportsmatch rings, and a $300 scope. So, sub $1k.

Now it is a $850 Tikka, $250 cut and thread, $500 stock, $130 UM scope rings, $1,200 RS1.2, $70 bolt handle, and $480+200 muffler. So, $3,680 plus tax/shipping.

And now it will soon be $3-3.5K rifle, $1,200 scope, $170 NF rings, and $480+200 muffler. So, $5,050 to $5,550.

And damnit, I wish I hadn't done that math.

I am happy to see the innovation, I do believe they are improvements. The RokStok and UM bolt handle are excellent deals, and for what it is, so to will this rifle be. But, it feels different.

Another thing is that now quite a few of us recommend Tikkas, so you no longer have to. Which while not a reflection of you changing, it all the same shifts perspective. Of course, the A-10 suppressor recommendation shows you ae still focused on performance and value.