Montana joint resolution to transfer federal public land

[Gila]

It sounds like the national chapter is problematic!!

No they are not. Radical right-wing pundits are always trying to make organizations like BHA look bad so they can get their grubby little hands on public lands. They dissed the Wildlife Federation also. They did the same thing with Ducks Unlimited and Delta Waterfowl who were pushing for CRP around the wetlands. They wanted to end the CRP program because the land they wanted to buy for extraction/development was off limits for 15 years under CRP contracts. But, take a long trip to the other end of the political spectrum and you will find radical left-wing nuts who are pushing “The Buffalo Commons” movement. It seems too “kooky” to ever happen but millions of acres in some states are already in their possession.

The Buffalo Commons is a movement to create a vast nature preserve by returning 140,000 square miles of the Great Plains to native prairie, and by reintroducing the bison ("buffalo") wolves and grizzlies, that once roamed the shortgrass and long grass prairies. The movement’s goal is to acquire contiguous parcels of land in ten states: Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Texas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas. Montana has a good example of what is going. The following is from FOX news in 2022.

“The American Prairie (AP), a conservation project in Montana, has quietly scooped up more than 450,000 acres of land with the help of its billionaire donors and the federal government.

The little-known project aims to create the largest "fully functioning ecosystem" in the continental U.S. by stitching together about 3.2 million acres of private and public lands, according to the American Prairie Foundation, which founded the reserve more than 20 years ago. The group has recorded 34 transactions spanning roughly 453,188 acres of land throughout central Montana — much of which were once used for farming and grazing — since 2004 and continues to aggressively expand.

"Our mission is to assemble the largest complex of public and private lands devoted to wildlife in the lower 48," Pete Geddes, AP's vice president and chief external relations officer, told Fox News Digital in an interview. "For comparison, about 25% larger than Yellowstone."

Billionaire-funded eco group quietly taking farmland out of production in rural America

A little-known conservation project funded by billionaire moguls is slowly acquiring land made available for cattle grazing in an effort to create a "fully functioning ecosystem."

www.foxnews.com

 

[elkhunter505]

No they are not. Radical right-wing pundits are always trying to make organizations like BHA look bad so they can get their grubby little hands on public lands. They dissed the Wildlife Federation also. They did the same thing with Ducks Unlimited and Delta Waterfowl who were pushing for CRP around the wetlands. They wanted to end the CRP program because the land they wanted to buy for extraction/development was off limits for 15 years under CRP contracts. But, take a long trip to the other end of the political spectrum and you will find radical left-wing nuts who are pushing “The Buffalo Commons” movement. It seems too “kooky” to ever happen but millions of acres in some states are already in their possession.

The Buffalo Commons is a movement to create a vast nature preserve by returning 140,000 square miles of the Great Plains to native prairie, and by reintroducing the bison ("buffalo") wolves and grizzlies, that once roamed the shortgrass and long grass prairies. The movement’s goal is to acquire contiguous parcels of land in ten states: Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Texas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas. Montana has a good example of what is going. The following is from FOX news in 2022.

“The American Prairie (AP), a conservation project in Montana, has quietly scooped up more than 450,000 acres of land with the help of its billionaire donors and the federal government.

The little-known project aims to create the largest "fully functioning ecosystem" in the continental U.S. by stitching together about 3.2 million acres of private and public lands, according to the American Prairie Foundation, which founded the reserve more than 20 years ago. The group has recorded 34 transactions spanning roughly 453,188 acres of land throughout central Montana — much of which were once used for farming and grazing — since 2004 and continues to aggressively expand.

"Our mission is to assemble the largest complex of public and private lands devoted to wildlife in the lower 48," Pete Geddes, AP's vice president and chief external relations officer, told Fox News Digital in an interview. "For comparison, about 25% larger than Yellowstone."

Billionaire-funded eco group quietly taking farmland out of production in rural America

A little-known conservation project funded by billionaire moguls is slowly acquiring land made available for cattle grazing in an effort to create a "fully functioning ecosystem."

www.foxnews.com

You know I want to see Bison back on the landscape in large contiguous herds. I know it’s an unpopular opinion particularly among cattle ranchers. At the very least APR does have some transparency surrounding hunting on their properties and is not just a Ted Turner type of ranch where you pay to play. There are type 1 and type 2 opportunities that are available for the average every day hunter and I believe in that personally. Does that mean I’d rather have it in their hands than in the public’s? Absolutely not. Would I be okay with them having bison on public if it had to be through livestock designation status, absolutely.

Hunting

americanprairie.org

 

[Big Easy]

Yes it’s a TV show but that dialogue is a quite accurate assessment of the inputs involved in wind farms. And the characters summation at the end is pretty darn accurate.

 

[Gila]

Solar and wind have huge impacts on the landscape, that is not even an argument anymore. No need to rehash an established fact.

The push towards green energy and the propaganda behind it are despicable also.

With our own tax dollars we have been fed total lies from a subsidized media and education system to believe this way of energy is sustainable and is a feasible answer to environmental issues with power. Which anyone with common sense can immediately see the huge plot holes in that. Not to mention the entire cart before horse rollout of wind and solar in regards to storage and transportation.

It truly was a monumental grift to simply put money into the pockets of different shareholders. That’s all

National BHA is primarily funded by the same subsidized environmental organizations that peddled this lie. This is also well established and noted throughout many different posts on here and other media. They are at the national level a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

I’ll save you the retort about being a big fan of oil and lng or some bs about not caring about the environment. They also have massive impacts on everything and all options should be on the table to find the least impactful and most efficient way to power the world that lives in reality. IMO that answer is most likely nuclear.

This type of propaganda is what divides us and cancels our collective voices. Everyone has an opinion but this type of demonization targeting the very organizations that have our six is wrong!

 

[Billinsd]

This type of propaganda is what divides us and cancels our collective voices. Everyone has an opinion but this type of demonization targeting the very organizations that have our six is wrong!

What he wrote is not propaganda, it’s his opinion based on facts that I agree with. I am generally against green energy, firstly because “green” is a misleading euphemism to me. Secondly, the footprint of so called green energy is gigantic, and thirdly the conservation positives compared to carbon are pretty much a wash to me. Us outdoorsmen have a wide spectrum of political and policy views. My main priority is liberty and freedom above all else, including hunting and conservation. I will not support any conservation effort that I believe infringes on my freedom and liberty or others in anyway. Obviously, there are people on this forum whose main priority is conservation and hunting opportunities, it seems like, and with freedom and liberty they are free to pursue.

 

[oregonoutdoors]

The reality is we are not talking about logging virgin roadless land. The roads are already established and either they start cutting some of these 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation forests to create diversity or we continue to watch it burn and live in smoke for 2-4 months out of the year.

I was really hopeful that we were all growing out of the timber harvest/fire is bad phase. But it’s a catch 22 to some people. If we don’t want roads to be built we have to let it burn and if we don’t want it to burn, we have to build roads. Personally, id rather let it burn and not develop roads. Our forests are horribly degraded by conifer encroachment due to a century of fire suppression to protect human interest. That in combination with the removal of logging just spells disaster. Our ecosystems are so far out of line because our poor management. Protect structures only, let the fires burn otherwise. And harvest timber in places that may need it because fire isn’t doing the job.