Mileage tax

[Silveroddo]

Its interesting to me that they "can't tax electric" so a mileage tax is the solution. A few years ago I picked up a propane converted chevy 2500hd, on paper if I could get the propane for the same price as I was buying it for to heat my home it made the economics of driving a vortec 8100 similar to driving a duramax. I had a hook up that would of achieved this at home, but as soon as I had to try and fill it up without my hook up, the taxes applied to that fuel almost TRIPPLED the cost of the fuel, negating any savings. I sent it down the road and gave up on the idea, but it goes to show that if they can tax the miniscule amount of propane that's being used to fuel highway vehicles, they can do the same thing to electricity, IF THEY WANT TO.

 

[Mosby]

Do you not think that both those fuels are only going to increase? I do quite a bit of investing and I will tell you that companies in the EV market get very high valuations based on the future delivery of their products. I see EV continuing to become more prevalent each and every year. Lucid, Fisker, Tesla, Plug to name a few.

I do. Not so much hydrogen though. New car sales in countries like Norway are 75% EV but their industries are nationalized and I am not sure how much of that is by choice or lack of. That is where Democrats definitely want to take us though.

But right now it is a relatively irrelevant number whereas passing a mileage tax on gas vehicles will generate millions of dollars of revenue at the state and federal level with the largest impact outside of their voting base. From a political standpoint it is genius.

 

[Crowmangler]

Fossil fuel vs "green" is apples & oranges.
If the EV / hydrogen people really want it to be "fair" let's start by killing all the federal subsidies they get just to make them affordable on paper. Their sales would drop 75%

 

[KChunter71]

I’m going to pedal to work!

 

[Wrench]

I hope Avery nukes this one soon. This is most certainly not going to end with all of us around a fire talking rifles, arrows and hides.

 

[jlh42581]

Do you not think that both those fuels are only going to increase? I do quite a bit of investing and I will tell you that companies in the EV market get very high valuations based on the future delivery of their products. I see EV continuing to become more prevalent each and every year. Lucid, Fisker, Tesla, Plug to name a few.

Only other EV right now with a snowballs chance in hell is NIO and now that the democrat government can pick on foreign players when it was wrong for republicans theyre gonna never make it to the USA. Even Tesla is rumored to lose money on every vehicle sale. The market doesnt care about true valuations of EV. Its a casino.

 

[Deadfall]

Just gotta hang tough until midterms. God willing, folks have had enough nonsense by then

 

[Opah]

"Anyone looking forward to a mileage tax on their western hunts? Less non res opportunities, increased licensing and fees . Wonder how many years before hunts are completely priced out of household budgets?"
Haven't you noticed that there are a select few in the stands at Basketball, baseball and football games, want to bet we couldn't afford those tickets.
its been going on since the conception of this coved farse, they have been kicking around a mileage tax for a while now.

 

[Beendare]

The Democratic party thinks they can spend your money better than you can. FACT: The US government is the most inefficient spender there is.

Much of the last stimulus went to bailing out bad democratic policy in cities and states and they do it under the guise of Covid relief.

The Biden Administration is following the California DNC playbook that is wrecking the state.... you all are about to get what we have been dealing with in California for decades.

It’s now obvious why the Democrats push gun control so hard, they are afraid of civil disobedience against their policy.

Until we do we have a more impartial media as a check and balance and become a more highly educated voter base this is just going to keep happening
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[Savagenut]

The Democratic party thinks they can spend your money better than you can. FACT: The US government is the most inefficient spender there is.

Much of the last stimulus went to bailing out bad democratic policy in cities and states and they do it under the guise of Covid relief.

The Biden Administration is following the California DNC playbook that is wrecking the state.... you all are about to get what we have been dealing with in California for decades.

It’s now obvious why the Democrats push gun control so hard, they are afraid of civil disobedience against their policy.

Until we do we have a more impartial media as a check and balance and become a more highly educated voter base this is just going to keep happening
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How quickly forget that trump put us further in debt than any previous president. Not to mention his corporate tax cut that was put on the backs of American workers. I’m not supporting Biden but I’ll call a spade a spade.

 

[JeffRaines]

I got a simple fix!

Mileage taxes only apply to electric and alternative fuel vehicles. Diesel and gas already pay taxes.

 

[Mosby]

How quick forget that trump put us further in debt than any previous president. Not to mention his corporate tax cut that was put on the backs of American workers. I’m not supporting Biden but I’ll call a spade a spade

In 2017 the United States had the fourth highest corporate income tax rate in the world. It is one of the reasons US companies have been moving jobs overseas since 1980. Now it is in the middle of the largest economies. High corporate tax rates don't benefit workers. It encourages companies to move jobs to countries with lower tax rates and labor costs.

The President overseeing the largest debt increase by % in the history of the US was FDR. The largest deficit increase in terms of dollars was our man Obama. He increased our national debt while President by over $8 trillion. Of the last 10 Presidents, Trump had the lowest % increase of debt while President.

 

[Aginor]

How quickly forget that trump put us further in debt than any previous president. Not to mention his corporate tax cut that was put on the backs of American workers. I’m not supporting Biden but I’ll call a spade a spade.

I’m not arguing the first part, but the second... are you dense? Who do you think pays a company’s taxes? Does the company just will more money into existence so that it can pay them? No, they either have to suppress wages or increase their product/service costs. Cutting corporate taxes benefits consumers in lower prices, and employees in higher benefits. Read literally any book on economics

 

[Savagenut]

I’m not arguing the first part, but the second... are you dense? Who do you think pays a company’s taxes? Does the company just will more money into existence so that it can pay them? No, they either have to suppress wages or increase their product/service costs. Cutting corporate taxes benefits consumers in lower prices, and employees in higher benefits. Read literally any book on economics

Not in today’s modern economic policy. It benefits share holders. Which for most working class people is irrelevant as they hold little to no investments. I can always spot a trumper cause they immediately start with the insults. This is precisely what is wrong right now. There is no civil discourse. Not to mention the substantial loss in tax revenue that fueled more debt

 

[Aginor]

Not in today’s modern economic policy. It benefits share holders. Which for most working class people is irrelevant as they hold little to no investments. I can always spot a trumper cause they immediately start with the insults. This is precisely what is wrong right now. There is no civil discourse.

Please, explain to me where companies get the money to pay their taxes?

Trumper? Dude, I’ve never voted for a democrat nor a republican in my life


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[tdhanses]

Not in today’s modern economic policy. It benefits share holders. Which for most working class people is irrelevant as they hold little to no investments. I can always spot a trumper cause they immediately start with the insults. This is precisely what is wrong right now. There is no civil discourse.

Do you have a 401k that you will use to retire off of? It’s always easy to blame the individuals that invest their cash into a business that said business otherwise wouldn’t be around if said investors didn’t invest yet we expect them to get nothing in return, all businesses have someone that invested, doesn’t have to be a publicly traded company, someone fronted the money for a reason, to earn a return. Expecting share holders to get no return is equal to expecting employees to work for nothing.

Its silly to think a cut in spending isn’t good for investors and employees, guess who will be effected first when taxes jump? Also most working people are invested in many companies, most receive free money from their company in the form of a 401k match, anyone in the market is a share holder but yes you have to start at zero and work your way up, unfortunately you don’t just get free money for nothing. If you elect to not invest and let your personal funds work for you that is your personal choice.

Tax cuts are always a plus for employees, also you crack me up calling a random guy a trumper yeah if you truly are for civil discourse you really would of been the bigger guy, ignored what you felt was an insult and moved on, the thin skin of society is just as much an issue with society as the selfish nature we have.

A mileage tax is just the beginning of what we are going to see pushed and in the end it’ll just make the poor and middle class becomes poorer and create a larger divide from the wealthy, how many wealthy people go on road trips for vacations?

 

[Savagenut]

You’re right. I can do better than that. My apologies.

I think your argument is that tax cuts to corporate America lead to lower prices and greater purchasing power for Americans. My counter to that is that corporations pass on profits to shareholders not consumers. This in turn increases stock values. Of which less than 50% of Americans have any sizable investments in, including 401k. My comments are about the impacts to working class America.

 

[Aginor]

You’re right. I can do better than that. My apologies.

I think your argument is that tax cuts to corporate America lead to lower prices and greater purchasing power for Americans. My counter to that is that corporations pass on profits to shareholders not consumers. This in turn increases stock values. Of which less than 50% of Americans have any sizable investments in, including 401k. My comments are about the impacts to working class America.

Sorry I called you dense.


Corporations do indeed pass their profits on to investors. But corporations don’t have profits if they can’t compete. Cartels and monopolies are profitable to disrupt. So unless every company in America got together and promised to not lower prices for a competitive advantage allowed by the tax cuts, they would need to lower their prices in order to continue having profits. Even then, that would allow any foreign company to have an advantage over American companies since they wouldn’t have artificially high prices.

The beautiful thing about capitalism is that the only way you can become the most profitable company is by providing the best goods to the most people. Simply put, the greediest person only wins by helping the most people


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[Mosby]

A lot of different ways to measure worker benefit. One way to measure policy benefit to workers is Unemployment rates. A look at unemployment during Obama and Trump, pre pandemic.

 

[Savagenut]

A lot of different ways to measure worker benefit. One way to measure policy benefit to workers is Unemployment rates. A look at unemployment during Obama and Trump, pre pandemic.

Are we really going to go back to Obama now? I didn’t vote for the guy but he inherited one of the worst economic crises in American history. I mean look at the trend line in that graph. Anybody could’ve done what trump did for economy and done just as well if not better . There is literally nothing special about trumps economic policy. He had no economic policy. Except tax cuts to the wealthiest and a huge national debt that my grand kids will be forced to deal with.