Mileage tax

[Mosby]

In the big picture, a mileage tax makes sense as it is passing the cost of highway maintenance to those who use it most, akin to a consumption tax.

Having said that, the application by this administration likely has political overtones as much or more than fiscal ones, so I doubt I will be supportive of how this would be implemented - especially in the context of existing gas taxes that are charged at the state level for this sort of funding.

Great in theory but we are already paying taxes that were supposed to pay for road and highway maintenance. It is quickly diverted after collection. Trucking companies pay over $40 billion in state and federal road use fees. Think it goes to pay for the roads we use? Much of it doesn't. We pay gas taxes every time we pump a gallon. That was supposed to go for the roads and bridges too.

Every time they want to raise taxes they use road maintenance or schools as the benefactor but that is just for political purposes. PT Barnum was right. We are suckers.

How Much Gas Tax Money States Divert Away From Roads - Reason Foundation

Examining the percentage of state gas tax revenue that is allocated for expenses unrelated to roads, including money shifted to law enforcement, education, tourism, environmental programs and more.

reason.org

 

[MattB]

Great in theory but we are already paying taxes that were supposed to pay for road and highway maintenance. It is quickly diverted after collection. Trucking companies pay over $40 billion in state and federal road use fees. Think it goes to pay for the roads we use? Much of it doesn't. We pay gas taxes every time we pump a gallon. That was supposed to go for the roads and bridges too.

Every time they want to raise taxes they use road maintenance or schools as the benefactor but that is just for political purposes. PT Barnum was right. We are suckers.

How Much Gas Tax Money States Divert Away From Roads - Reason Foundation

Examining the percentage of state gas tax revenue that is allocated for expenses unrelated to roads, including money shifted to law enforcement, education, tourism, environmental programs and more.

reason.org

Trust me, I am not allocating that we should pay more in taxes. In fact, I am staunchly in the camp that government already takes too much from us and has more than enough revenue to meet our needs if it spent more judiciously.

I am coming at this more from the perspective of allocating the burden a little more based on use. Cars that get better gas mileage or that don't use gas shouldn't get a policy-based discount when it comes to road repair.

 

[Bearsears]

Another example of government creating a problem via legislation and then creating new legislation to solve it. Meanwhile we foot the bill. I wonder if the citizens of this country are ever going to wake up but I seriously doubt it.

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[Wrench]

Trust me, I am not allocating that we should pay more in taxes. In fact, I am staunchly in the camp that government already takes too much from us and has more than enough revenue to meet our needs if it spent more judiciously.

I am coming at this more from the perspective of allocating the burden a little more based on use. Cars that get better gas mileage or that don't use gas shouldn't get a policy-based discount when it comes to road repair.

Yet those in urban traffic jams burning fuel to keep the ac on for the 30 minute 10 mile drive home get off easier than the guy who has zero stoplights on his 20 mile drive to town......and what if half of that was on the rez?

Keep fighting new taxes instead of fighting for them.

Instead of trying to bring the guy in the lame prius down....kick the department that just wasted $36M on no tangible results.

 

[Mosby]

Trust me, I am not allocating that we should pay more in taxes. In fact, I am staunchly in the camp that government already takes too much from us and has more than enough revenue to meet our needs if it spent more judiciously.

I am coming at this more from the perspective of allocating the burden a little more based on use. Cars that get better gas mileage or that don't use gas shouldn't get a policy-based discount when it comes to road repair.

I drive 10 miles on dirt and gravel roads to go to the grocery store. I'm not getting much for my money as it is. Asking me to pay more for those 10 miles isn't going to improve the roads I'm driving on. Trust me.

Mileage taxes are designed and directed towards rural Americans and suburbs. It isn't going to impact the majority of people that live in large cities and rely on public transportation to go to work everyday. Democrats know that and it is why it was the first thing they proposed to pay for the Infrastructure Bill; the majority of which has very little to do with improving roads and bridges. The mileage tax is a tax on a large majority of people that don't vote for Democrats. Thats the beauty of it.

Over 47% of Americans don't pay Federal Taxes. I gave up on thinking people should pay more for what they use when half the country doesn't pay anything.

 

[sasquatch]

I like how they try to say this is the way to tax users.

Like more you drive, the more you use the roads so that’s why this works to charge those more

And gas taxes don’t work this way.

How the hell do gas taxes NOT work the same??? The more you drive the more gas you buy, therefore the more road taxes you pay!!!

It’s amazing how ignorant ppl are and can’t see the wool being pulled over their eyes


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[ryjack70ss]

The only part of it that makes sense is that they would be able to apply a road tax to electric vehicles, and since electric vehicles will only have the mileage tax while fossil fuel vehicles will have a mileage tax and a fuel tax, that'll help push the narrative that electric is cheaper.

but electric vehicles will use more power, which is taxed.

I plan on just spinning the tires of my 5.0 just for the hell of it after reading this garbage. When not doing that, I will rid my kids 50cc honda dirt bike. It will run forever with my arse in it.

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[EastMT]

Half of Rokslide in 12 months

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[Rob5589]

I pay 1000+ to register my Ram and the wife's Kia per year. Plus we pay (CA) almost 73 cents tax per gallon of fuel. I also pay 6 bucks to cross a bridge on my way home from work, 14-16 days a month. That's too much as it is.

 

[go_deep]

but electric vehicles will use more power, which is taxed.

I plan on just spinning the tires of my 5.0 just for the hell of it after reading this garbage. When not doing that, I will rid my kids 50cc honda dirt bike. It will run forever with my arse in it.

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Simple statement, I don't like the mileage tax, period.

But the angle their using is that the electric tax doesn't go to maintain roads, so we need the mileage tax to maintain roads. Ther are people that without a doubt that want to push the green energy movement, and by double taxing fossil fuel vehicles making it more expensive to own one is a good way to push that agenda.

 

[Thess87]

In the big picture, a mileage tax makes sense as it is passing the cost of highway maintenance to those who use it most, akin to a consumption tax.

Having said that, the application by this administration likely has political overtones as much or more than fiscal ones, so I doubt I will be supportive of how this would be implemented - especially in the context of existing gas taxes that are charged at the state level for this sort of funding.

Probably varies by state but in Kansas there’s already a tax on gas that is “supposed “ to go to dept of transportation.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I drive around 40k pee year just getting to and from work locations.
I pay income tax on a percentage base to my state. Then pay the sales tax in other state.
No kids so best I can tell I pay around 40% in taxes per year.
If I wasn't such a stubborn a hole that believes in the constitution so much I mise well start voting for all this liberal garbage because and more tax and its just not going to be work being employed.
Mise well sit my ass smoke weed expert someone else to make society move.

 

[Wrench]

Simple statement, I don't like the mileage tax, period.

But the angle their using is that the electric tax doesn't go to maintain roads, so we need the mileage tax to maintain roads. Ther are people that without a doubt that want to push the green energy movement, and by double taxing fossil fuel vehicles making it more expensive to own one is a good way to push that agenda.

Sounds like a kw/h meter on the ev is the answer.

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

I'd be OK with a mileage tax if they got rid of the gas tax. Make those filthy coal powered cars pay their share.

 

[roadrunner]

People have got to start ignoring these dipshit dumbass regulations and "laws". But, won't happen. Only a whupped pup will keep coming back for more...

 

[HuntHarder]

Doesnt it make more sense to figure out a way to tax the electric or hydrogen that they are saying they have no way to tax right now? Seems pretty simple to add a tax on those fuels so they pay the same as a gasoline tax. They can do a mileage tax on those vehicles that do not consume already taxed gasoline or diesel. Problem solved.

 

[Mosby]

I'd be OK with a mileage tax if they got rid of the gas tax. Make those filthy coal powered cars pay their share.

I honestly can not think of a single tax Democrats ever got rid of. I can't think of an entitlement program they got rid of either. I guess they go hand in hand.

 

[Crghss]

I'd be OK with a mileage tax if they got rid of the gas tax. Make those filthy coal powered cars pay their share.

They need to drop gas tax and use mileage tax. EV and hybrid aren’t paying their fair share.

But they can’t do both.

 

[Mosby]

Less than 9000 hydrogen vehicles have been sold in the last 9 years and plug in electric cars account for less than 1% of total car sales. The tax revenue generated from those vehicles would be irrelevant on the large scale and the mileage tax has nothing to do with those vehicles paying their fair share anyway. That's just a political spin to justify another tax that will directly impact working class Americans. They just don't want to tell us that. Bad politics. So they talk about fair share. Sounds good.

It is targeted tax that will disproportionally affect people in rural areas and they know it. Democrats would get a larger and immediate revenue impact by simply getting rid of the tax subsidies they are providing to companies and individuals buying electric and hydrogen vehicles than taxing those vehicles. The "fair share" stuff is always just a distraction.

 

[HuntHarder]

Less than 9000 hydrogen vehicles have been sold in the last 9 years and plug in electric cars account for less than 1% of total car sales. The tax revenue generated from those vehicles would be irrelevant on the large scale and the mileage tax has nothing to do with those vehicles paying their fair share anyway. That's just a political spin to justify another tax that will directly impact working class Americans. They just don't want to tell us that. Bad politics. So they talk about fair share. Sounds good.

It is targeted tax that will disproportionally affect people in rural areas and they know it. Democrats would get a larger and immediate revenue impact by simply getting rid of the tax subsidies they are providing to companies and individuals buying electric and hydrogen vehicles than taxing those vehicles. The "fair share" stuff is always just a distraction.

Do you not think that both those fuels are only going to increase? I do quite a bit of investing and I will tell you that companies in the EV market get very high valuations based on the future delivery of their products. I see EV continuing to become more prevalent each and every year. Lucid, Fisker, Tesla, Plug to name a few.