Meeker Colorado Wolf Attack

[Hunt4lyf]

Hahahaaha that’s funny. You really think there’s that much difference? Those big bad Canadian wolves . Just like they wiped out all the elk in WY MT and ID.

How about this let’s get rid of the non native mountain goats and the non native moose then?

I forgot to address your other comments.

It has nothing to do with what I think, the scientists believe there is enough difference to have them be their own separate subspecies so that should have been at least addressed when this was put before the people, instead they are just called "Gray Wolves" and lumped all together regardless of the subspecies to further the wolf proponent's agenda. It's funny that the only wolf that is differentiated from all others is the Mexican Gray wolf, why is that? By your and the wolf proponent's logic it's no different from any other wolf so just throw some wolves from Yellowstone down there and call them recovered.

Big they are, but bad? That's a human emotion which can't be applied to a non-sentient being, they just do what wolves do which is kill a lot and sometimes eat what they kill. You are trying to deflect from answering my questions with these remarks, none of which I've said, so again, I provide facts which you can't refute so you resort to calling wolves name to try to deflect from having to come up with something legit.

I'm not going to bother with the goat and moose comment, it's irrelevant.

 

[Movi]

He can't, just as he can't spell "semantics".

And he thinks, just because it's now law that it's right (there's a difference). As a recent transplant out of the People's Republic of Colorado, I can tell you what Jr doesn't understand is that 90% of the pro-wolf funding that drove that vote came from California and the Sierra Club. Furthermore, most of the front range (where all the votes are concentrated) is liberal and pro-wolf, but conveniently voted for their reintroduction on the western slope and not in RMNP where they like to pet the elk while munching granola in their subarus.

Prove it. But you can’t hahahahaha

 

[Movi]

What is funny? I provide facts and this is what you come back with? Can you provide something a bit more substantial to refute my post?

It’s funny that you think they are different wolves. Are the wolves being reintroduced not wolves?

What is different between the two subspecies? Hahahaha can’t wait for that.

Goats and arguably moose are not native to CO. I’m all about compromise, get rid of those non native mt goats and moose and I’ll support not letting a subspecies of wolves in. Deal? That’s a fair deal since I’m willing to compromise bringing back wolves which are native and getting rid of two ungulates that are no doubt competing for forage of native ungulates…

 

[Movi]

I forgot to address your other comments.

It has nothing to do with what I think, the scientists believe there is enough difference to have them be their own separate subspecies so that should have been at least addressed when this was put before the people, instead they are just called "Gray Wolves" and lumped all together regardless of the subspecies to further the wolf proponent's agenda. It's funny that the only wolf that is differentiated from all others is the Mexican Gray wolf, why is that? By your and the wolf proponent's logic it's no different from any other wolf so just throw some wolves from Yellowstone down there and call them recovered.

Big they are, but bad? That's a human emotion which can't be applied to a non-sentient being, they just do what wolves do which is kill a lot and sometimes eat what they kill. You are trying to deflect from answering my questions with these remarks, none of which I've said, so again, I provide facts which you can't refute so you resort to calling wolves name to try to deflect from having to come up with something legit.

I'm not going to bother with the goat and moose comment, it's irrelevant.

You know why the Mexican wolf is separate? It’s the only one that can VISUALLY be identified as different. The rest can only be done in a lab…

Way to deflect on the moose and mt goats. You know why? Because it voids your argument all together.

In Wyoming you can get 3 elk tags in one year. Talk about a loss of opportunity. Guess how many you could get before reintroduction? Guess dammit, guess!

 

[Movi]

A slim majority of voters, not residents, voted it in. Many of those voters are ignorant transplants who fled jobless dumpster fires for greener pastures that they’re now lighting in fire. Let me guess movi…. Pennsylvania? Or any other east coast shit hole, same difference.

Are you saying their votes don’t count?

 

[Slugz]

The CPW is not the same as when it was the CDOW. Way more political and not willing to fight the system. Many of the most talented have left or are leaving, just way to much of the politicians leading the system. Yes , unfortunately it is the CPW leading the wolf recovery efforts. Majority rules. Many in the CPW do not hunt and are border line anti hunting today.

True. As evident when you review the resumes of the commissioners

 

[Movi]

He can't, just as he can't spell "semantics".

And he thinks, just because it's now law that it's right (there's a difference). As a recent transplant out of the People's Republic of Colorado, I can tell you what Jr doesn't understand is that 90% of the pro-wolf funding that drove that vote came from California and the Sierra Club. Furthermore, most of the front range (where all the votes are concentrated) is liberal and pro-wolf, but conveniently voted for their reintroduction on the western slope and not in RMNP where they like to pet the elk while munching granola in their subarus.

I know how to spell semantics. I was privately mocking the spelling of the way he spelled it. Just scroll up, you’ll see it.

Nothing wrong with granola or Subarus btw. That’s a weird flex to have an axe to grind with either.

 

[fngTony]

Some of these comments about Lenny don’t seem to be in line with the lessons learned from the illegal dirt bike riding thread…

I didn’t see any comments slandering Lenny, stop making pot shots at the forum rules.

Why is this news?

It’s an issue affecting the state in multiple ways. Why are you trolling?

Wolves reintroduction is a touchy subject, but if they are allowed to be the top of the food chain with no exceptions, gonna get messy, the current food chain is different than when the wolves were in CO long ago

This^^^ I’ll add that our environment/ecosystem isn’t the same either.

Hahahaaha that’s funny. You really think there’s that much difference? Those big bad Canadian wolves . Just like they wiped out all the elk in WY MT and ID.

How about this let’s get rid of the non native mountain goats and the non native moose then?

Your use of Kissing face = disrespect.

Prove it. But you can’t hahahahaha

Bring a better rebuttal.

It’s funny that you think they are different wolves. Are the wolves being reintroduced not wolves?

What is different between the two subspecies? Hahahaha can’t wait for that.

Goats and arguably moose are not native to CO. I’m all about compromise, get rid of those non native mt goats and moose and I’ll support not letting a subspecies of wolves in. Deal? That’s a fair deal since I’m willing to compromise bringing back wolves which are native and getting rid of two ungulates that are no doubt competing for forage of native ungulates…

Are you a Colorado resident?

Are you saying their votes don’t count?

Don’t twist peoples words. You’re trolling, instigating. If you want to debate bring something to to talk about instead of deflecting and twisting.

 

[Hunt4lyf]

It’s funny that you think they are different wolves. Are the wolves being reintroduced not wolves?

What is different between the two subspecies? Hahahaha can’t wait for that.

Goats and arguably moose are not native to CO. I’m all about compromise, get rid of those non native mt goats and moose and I’ll support not letting a subspecies of wolves in. Deal? That’s a fair deal since I’m willing to compromise bringing back wolves which are native and getting rid of two ungulates that are no doubt competing for forage of native ungulates…

I don’t believe they are different, the scientists who study them know they are different but when it comes to wolves no one cares about what they say, only that a wolf is a wolf.

How are they different? One evolved to live in the MacKenzie river valley, one evolved to live in the southern Rockies, pretty simple.

You know why the Mexican wolf is separate? It’s the only one that can VISUALLY be identified as different. The rest can only be done in a lab…

Way to deflect on the moose and mt goats. You know why? Because it voids your argument all together.

In Wyoming you can get 3 elk tags in one year. Talk about a loss of opportunity. Guess how many you could get before reintroduction? Guess dammit, guess!

Really? That the best you’ve got? Because they’re visually different, good argument.

No deflection on my part, it’s just irrelevant to the topic. The only argument being voided is yours because you provide no facts unlike myself.

Wyoming is not Colorado, we have 10 times the human population with almost the same size land mass, winter range that is being gobbled up by McMansions on 5 acre lots, a deer herd that is half of what it was 20 years ago and a game commission that is not on the side of resident hunters.

Also, we can get more elk tags than Wyoming but let’s revisit that in 25 years and see how many we get.

And with that said I’m done with you, trolls like you tire me with your mindless drivel and constant deflections.

 

[Monotone Matt]

I didn’t see any comments slandering Lenny, stop making pot shots at the forum rules.

It’s an issue affecting the state in multiple ways. Why are you trolling?

This^^^ I’ll add that our environment/ecosystem isn’t the same either.


Your use of Kissing face = disrespect.

Bring a better rebuttal.

Are you a Colorado resident?

Don’t twist peoples words. You’re trolling, instigating. If you want to debate bring something to to talk about instead of deflecting and twisting.

I wasn’t trying to take a shot at the forum rules, I felt that the use of language like “idiocy” and “boulder transplant” were extremely disrespectful towards a person who was willing to participate in an approach to management that recognizes differing values. Furthermore, when he realized that the approach didn’t work as intended he had the courage to admit that he was wrong—not a common trait these days.

 

[Monotone Matt]

Can you guys delete my account or kick me off? I can’t figure out how to do it. I don’t think this place is for me. I can’t afford any of the gear that everyone uses here, this doesn’t seem to be the place to discuss ethics or resource management, and I think the guy from round valley is trolling me. One parting note, anybody can read what gets posted here, I’ve come across this website many times in the past decade while searching for reloading data. There are a lot of threads on here that advocate for illegally killing wolves, and I can guarantee the anti hunting crowd is using that when they lobby the politicians. K bye

 

[silverbullet555]

Lenny sounds like a boulder transplant, “they aren’t holding up their end of the deal on coexistence”.

That's the comment that stood out to me.

 

[Ucsdryder]

That's the comment that stood out to me.

Saying someone is from boulder is fighting words where I’m from. Ultimate form of slander.

 

[Ryan2.0]

This new kindlier and gentle rokslide is turning into a weird place. Lol

Disclaimer: it’s just a joke.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Agreed, I'd like to get out but it's not happening for the foreseeable future sadly.

Same here… I wonder if they held another vote, but the catch was you had to have been born in Co to vote if wolves should be introduced, I think the vote would have been no by a landslide… all the introduced idiots who moved here in the last 10 years are really jacking my home state up. Oh and why the heck didn’t we focus on grizzly introduction before wolves? Grizz was definitely part of CO’s landscape. Was it because the anti hunting first man and anti’s in general have been on the record saying that once wolves are back in numbers we won’t need to have hunting anymore? But if grizz was back it may hurt that eco tourist budget by emptying out the overcrowded mountains?

 

[Newtosavage]

Thats just crazy , putting wolves rights before ranchers .

Crazier than putting rancher's rights before public landowners and hunters? Are you okay with how grazing is managed on public lands?

 

[cnelk]

Are you okay with how grazing is managed on public lands?

Forest Service = Just another govt agency out of touch with what really needs to happen. No different than the current CPW

 

[cacklercrazy]

18 head of 600-pound calves dead after apparent wolf attack near Meeker

Lenny Klinglesmith, a Meeker, Colo., rancher, has been preparing to coexist with wolves in Colorado. He is a member of the Stakeholders Advisory Group that was convened by Colorado Parks and Wildlife to provide a…

www.thefencepost.com

Doesn't this make you mad when the Sierra club / Peta tree huggers say wolves only kill to survive! Bs!

 

[Wrench]

Oh Colorado.....this is just the beginning. You ain't seen nothing yet.

The first decade will be movement and decline in your ungulate herds. Soon elk will show up in urban areas in greater numbers. Elk will become considerably less vocal. Herds will not vanish....but the impact is very obvious.

 

[4rcgoat]

Couple questions regarding “shoot, shovel, shut-up:

1. Do you pack a shovel around while you’re hunting or return later with the shovel. I’m concerned about the extra pack weight. Are people carrying lightweight options? Where I hunt it’s pretty rocky, would definitely need something robust and probably a rock bar to be honest.

2. Do you call before you dig? Underground utilities, pipelines, etc.

3. Say I witness one of those you tube hunters shoot one. Does my obligation to help them shovel and shut up outweigh my obligation to report them and post it on the internet cause they’re ruining hunting?

Thanks in advance

Okay,forget the shovel. Shoot.....kill....and let rot