Mechanical vs Fixed - different perspective

[DEW0341]

Hey guys I'm new here to Archery Talk


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[elkguide]

Hey guys I'm new here to Archery Talk

Then you get to take the test first.


So what is the answer????????

 

[DEW0341]

Then you get to take the test first.


So what is the answer????????

Shoot, I just came here to learn and according to a guy on a diff thread he says he shoots mechanicals the best, his bow was tuned by the archery dept at sports authority and they told him to use them so must be legit, but with so many diff opinions I just don't know what to do


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[elkguide]

Shoot, I just came here to learn and according to a guy on a diff thread he says he shoots mechanicals the best, his bow was tuned by the archery dept at sports authority and they told him to use them so must be legit, but with so many diff opinions I just don't know what to do

 

[mrgreen]

Shoot, I just came here to learn and according to a guy on a diff thread he says he shoots mechanicals the best, his bow was tuned by the archery dept at sports authority and they told him to use them so must be legit, but with so many diff opinions I just don't know what to do

*No Sarcasm* Thank You, that was what this thread needed- now I can unsubscribe.

 

[Trial153]

Tim knows his stuff no doubt. However I can't stomach listing to him. He is an arrogant ass, and
Listening to him in the past cured me enough to know won't even try to make through this podcast.

I prefer fixed blade heads for almost all my hunting. I have killed quite a bit of game with mechanical heads as well and from drawing from those experiences I have more confidence in fixed blade heads. That said I think there are some game and situations where a mechanical head has advantages. There is no boiler plate best for everything however there are situations where one may better choice then the other.

 

[archer wapiti]

Aron makes the point time and again in these Gritty Bowmen podcasts that a distance that is one man's chip shot is beyond another's maximum distance. You can easily substitute wind speed for distance in that previous sentence. We all have to realize our limitations and be conservative in our approach or accept the consequences of a potentially bad result. If I planned on shooting in a heavy crosswind, I sure would be checking the wind speed and direction as often as I use a range finder.
As stated previously by others on this thread, one of my first discoveries about real world shooting under field conditions in my back yard with field tips was how much more the wind affected my ability to hold my bow on target than wind affected my arrow flight with field tips. So this paradox of shooting fixed blades unless it's windy is an interesting one. As it has been pointed out on here, if it's good (acceptable might be a better word) for windy conditions, then why isn't it good [acceptable] all the time? Do you have to be 'all in' for mechanicals all the time? I don't know the answer. I shoot fixed blades and generally hunt wooded areas that I don't consider wind to be a factor. Not against mechanicals, just started with fixed blade and have never felt that my empty tags were caused by fixed blade broadheads. I might try mechanicals if I ever draw pronghorn or ibex.

It kills me that I've passed up my last 4 shot opportunities over 3 years on animals for various reason, but every time I've rolled the dice and taken a shot I wasn't 100% sure of, I've been disappointed in myself. Enough bad things can happen on those 'sure thing' shots in my experience.

 

[5MilesBack]

but with so many diff opinions I just don't know what to do

Opinions are just that........dew whatever is best for you........after your own extensive testing.

 

[Beendare]

Shoot, I just came here to learn and according to a guy on a diff thread he says he shoots mechanicals the best, his bow was tuned by the archery dept at sports authority and they told him to use them so must be legit, but with so many diff opinions I just don't know what to do

As a new guy it is tough to know 'Whose advice to follow' ....on the internet there is a lot of noise. Tim and Aron are two quality sources. Personally, I think their opinions are dominated by one factor I don't even use in my criteria for bowhunting; Shooting very long shots.

I use other criteria for selecting my arrow/BH that is appropriate to me on the 20,30,40,50 yd shots I take [15-30yd with my stickbow]. Those guys are just coming at this from a different angle...no right or wrong.

 

[jmez]

Ok lets break this down in simple terms given this scenario.

Joe Blow goes on a few western hunts per year and has a perfectly tuned bow that generates 80lb of KE. His bow will fly fixed blades and mechanicals right with his field points. Joe Blow practices a lot but may not know how to accurately guess wind drift regardless if its 10 or 20mph. Joe Blow only hunts mule deer and antelope and wants to make sure he is as accurate as possible past 40 yards not knowing what elements he will encounter. His go to fixed blade is a slick trick and his go to mechanical is a 1 1/2 cut on contact mechanical.


I don't want to hear about poorly tuned bows attributing to why guys shoot mechanicals, mechanicals not opening or lack of penetration. Given the scenario above none of those are logical.

It's pretty simple to take an uncontrolled, multi factorial problem and then control all of the factors to give your desired outcome. It is also pretty intellectually dishonest and a useless exercise.

 

[Blockcaver]

One thing not mentioned when shooting in the wind........the arrow typically flies with the the fletch end tailing down wind, i.e. which is the same as shooting a poorly tuned bow as far as penetration goes. So even if you can hit your target which is way harder from the perspective of staying steady for the shot and judging wind drift your penetration is comprised. At least that is my experience practicing and hunting in the winds of the west.

 

[5MilesBack]

Already seen it. Reinforces my opinion that Tim is one of the biggest jerks in archery.

I can see how you can get that........however from my lifetime of experience, I find that a lot of people dislike very analytical anal retentive types of people in all areas of life.

I finally watched the entire episode. That's the first time I've ever even heard Tim speak, had no idea he was 6'6". I'm 6'6" as well, and probably just as anal retentive as he is. I can honestly say that there wasn't a single thing he said that I would disagree with. Kind of funny........just look at the three guys in the video. All three completely different in personality and in levels of commitment and expertise. Each on their own put their own commitment into different areas. I have no idea who the guy on the left is, but you can see a huge difference between him and Tim and how they think.......who they are. You don't have to tell an anal retentive individual about nock tuning......because that individual will already figure that out on their own and be doing it. There's a reason for everything they do....random and happenstance doesn't fit in their vocabulary or life. That's why so many people think they're opinionated jerks.......they've already done and tested all this stuff 1000 times already for themselves.

 

[5MilesBack]

Personally, I think their opinions are dominated by one factor I don't even use in my criteria for bowhunting; Shooting very long shots.

I think that could be what appeared to be covered in that video, but I'd say that only about 10% of that video was actually about mechanicals versus fixed and distance shooting. I think if you look at Tim's motivation it's mostly about 1-hole accuracy and consistency with his setup........regardless of distance.

 

[Muley15]

Accuracy and consistency is what I took away from it. Even though I have preferred fixed blades I don't think they are the best choice in certain situations. If I am shooting at distance and I am comfortable with my hold I want to take away the wind drift variable as much as possible with my set up because accuracy is king and guessing is guessing. If you generate enough ke, hunt light skinned critters and stick with a 1-1/4-1-1/2 mechanical there is no reason why you shouldnt consider this. To say you have to shoot fixed blades only or mechanicals only is nonsense. I will probably have both in my quiver this year.

 

[cuerro viejo]

One of the new micro diameter shafts and a Wac'Em triton will fly with any mechanical on the market.

Best get a haircut. Time will be at your door shortly... although I'm not sure you can get the noble prize for physics for disproving physics..

 

[jmez]

The number one consideration for me in a broadhead is durability/edge retention. The two go hand in hand. I have yet to find a head I can't tune to shoot well out of my setup within my predefined distances and shot conditions. Within those predefined conditions I can't recall a single episode where I think my broadhead choice was the deciding factor in the outcome of a shot.

The durability issue is the reason I no longer shoot both mechanical and replaceable blade broadheads. Currently shooting VPA heads and so far it's looking like I'll stick with them.

 

[Jacob Chapman]

Farthest I've tried to shoot broadheads is 60 yards...when I was out west I wouldn't shoot (practice) in heavy winds. When I was hunting, I always carried a mix of fixed blade and mech's, depending on how far the shot was, conditions etc. Right, wrong, who knows that's just what I did. I need to do some testing when my new bow comes in, between the Hypo and Killzone's to see which mech I like best...really leaning towards just having mech heads in my quiver from now on. BUT, that's just my opinion, and it's worth about what ya paid for it.

 

[Backpack Hunter]

In context I just find these comments hilarious.

"It's pretty simple to take an uncontrolled, multi factorial problem and then control all of the factors to give your desired outcome. It is also pretty intellectually dishonest and a useless exercise."

" I have yet to find a head I can't tune to shoot well out of my setup within my predefined distances and shot conditions. Within those predefined conditions I can't recall a single episode where I think my broadhead choice was the deciding factor in the outcome of a shot. "

Now before we get all jumpy I'm not calling anyone out, just pointing out a little humor here.

 

[svivian]

Too bad turkeybowmaster isn't here to set us all straight on this topic

 

[jmez]

Too bad turkeybowmaster isn't here to set us all straight on this topic

That's pure gold right there.

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