Losing *OUR* public lands?

[cuerro viejo]

I don’t want to see public lands sold, but more and more states are excluding NR’s in hunting, and as more a more people chastise landowners about restricting unvetted access it’s getting harder to be more vocal against the sale.

Ranches get Eminent Domained all the time and to a lot on this forum it’s no big deal because they can’t hunt it….. welcome to the reverse

 

[drdrop]

I don’t want to see public lands sold, but more and more states are excluding NR’s in hunting, and as more a more people chastise landowners about restricting unvetted access it’s getting harder to be more vocal against the sale.

Ranches get Eminent Domained all the time and to a lot on this forum it’s no big deal because they can’t hunt it….. welcome to the reverse

Where's the down vote button?

This is a federal public lands emergency. It has nothing to do with state wildlife agency regulations for non-residents.

Let's carry on criticizing our elected officials for screwing over all future generations of Americans.

 

[Fitzwho]

I get where Cuerro is coming from on some of the recent price hikes and tag reductions. Those are a tough pill to swallow. But I hit both my Texas Senators and my State Rep to urge them to vote against these land sales.

To counter @cuerro viejo , if we allow stuff like this to pass, you definitely won't have to worry about getting any nonresident tags. Forget hard, those opportunities WILL NOT exist. Opportunity, no matter how hard the tags may be to draw, is always better than NO opportunity at all. There's no draw keeping you from accessing these lands to hike, mountain bike, fish, hunt small game, waterfowl and other game birds... literally anything else.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I get where Cuerro is coming from on some of the recent price hikes and tag reductions. Those are a tough pill to swallow. But I hit both my Texas Senators and my State Rep to urge them to vote against these land sales.

To counter @cuerro viejo , if we allow stuff like this to pass, you definitely won't have to worry about getting any nonresident tags. Forget hard, those opportunities WILL NOT exist. Opportunity, no matter how hard the tags may be to draw, is always better than NO opportunity at all. There's no draw keeping you from accessing these lands tI hunt o hike, mountain bike, fish, hunt small game, waterfowl and other game birds... literally anything else.

I hit both of them up too, and house. Although one ran for President on it. But none the less I put the effort in. My house rep is actually pro public land

Where's the down vote button?

This is a federal public lands emergency. It has nothing to do with state wildlife agency regulations for non-residents.

Let's carry on criticizing our elected officials for screwing over all future generations of Americans.

Hit down all you want, but it's a growing perception that BECOMING A reality. I hear it all the time, if someone is in a low public land state and can't afford to hunt out of state or even put in for out of states dismal draw odds ANYMORE and feel persecuted for being a NR... Do you think they are writing their congressman? No they aren't. They arent driving 10-20hrs just to go hiking in NF,... They drive to hunt

 

[Rifleman86]

Where's the down vote button?

This is a federal public lands emergency. It has nothing to do with state wildlife agency regulations for non-residents.

Let's carry on criticizing our elected officials for screwing over all future generations of Americans.

I’ll just say this, I haven’t been around rokslide much lately because of the hate towards anyone east of the Mississippi within this community. I even changed my username because it indicated where I was from. I could tell that immediately colored some folks opinion on what I had to say.

If you would’ve asked me to lift a finger to help in this fight a year ago, I’d be much more inclined to let the chips fall where they may, based off some of the attitudes I was used to encountering on here.

I took a break, concentrated on actually hunting. It was good mentally. It reinvigorated why I actually care so much about this stuff.

I’ve been blowing up the phones and whatever voice I have on social media to raise awareness of this and fight the good fight. It’s too important to surrender defeat just because strangers on the internet like to be assholes toward hunters with a different zip code. If we defeat this, my son might have a chance to enjoy some of the same amazing stuff I’ve had the pleasure of enjoying in this country. If we don’t, he may not.

Lots of us easterners are in the trenches on this. I just hope the next time our small slice of the pie is offered up as a sacrifice to appease the Karen’s of the hunting world, the guys that blame everyone else for their lack of success, that it’s remembered.

 

[diamond10x]

Where's the down vote button?

This is a federal public lands emergency. It has nothing to do with state wildlife agency regulations for non-residents.

Let's carry on criticizing our elected officials for screwing over all future generations of Americans.

He's not wrong.

Between the constant disdain for anyone who doesn't live in a few handful of select states, states cutting out and jacking up prices for NR because of their resident karens, and the green decoy conservation orgs and influencers sitting on their thumbs and championing when the proposal to put 30+ million acres on the chopping block for solar panels and screaming at the sky because of some idiot senator from Utah, the burnout is real for a lot of people that have been alienated.

 

[Rifleman86]

He's not wrong.

Between the constant disdain for anyone who doesn't live in a few handful of select states, states cutting out and jacking up prices for NR because of their resident karens, and the green decoy conservation orgs and influencers sitting on their thumbs and championing when the proposal to put 30+ million acres on the chopping block for solar panels and screaming at the sky because of some idiot senator from Utah, the burnout is real for a lot of people that have been alienated.

Nailed it. I’m glad BHA suddenly found out they actually cared about public land again, but it’s a little too late for me to ever take them seriously as a non partisan organization.

I almost forgot about the BLM solar panel nonsense under the last administration that they were more or less silent on.

Yeah, I’m not gonna kid anyone that the GOP has some flaws when it comes to the concerns of hunters, namely the aforementioned Senator from Utah, but it takes an inconceivable amount of cognitive dissonance to believe we’d be in a better position if things went the other way in Nov. (The irony that he is from a western state notwithstanding.)

Historically, it’s been much easier to convince the GOP that selling public land is a bad idea than it has been to try and convince the DNC that draconian gun laws and predator hunting bans are a bad idea. Vote accordingly.

 

[aMurderOfCrows]

I emailed both my senators, as I often do. They actually will respond.

Both my senators are democrats and they’ll work against the bill just because of Trump. One of them claims to be a outdoorsman. He also claims to be a climate change cultist while driving a massive lifted diesel Ford.

So, for what it’s worth I voiced my opinion.

 

[aMurderOfCrows]

Thanks. Even if they claim the targeted tracts are of "little usefulness", once we accept that any acre of ground can be sold, the idea will spread. This precedent is unacceptable.

Agreed. I made this point in my emails to Senators.

 

[aMurderOfCrows]

sell some now to pay off the national debt..it only gets worse the longer we wait. selling some is better than losing a lot more of it later.

The Government can pay off the National debt by cutting back on spending. There’s billions going out the door everyday to things that have nothing to do with basic federal government function.

 

[Pro953]

sell some now to pay off the national debt..it only gets worse the longer we wait. selling some is better than losing a lot more of it later.

I appreciate the math here is ridiculously simplistic. But if you take the current national debt of 36 trillion divided by the roughly combined acreage of BLM and NF land of 439mm acres, we would need to maintain a value of over 82K per acre to “pay off” the national debt with public land sales.

Not to mention the hilarious premise that you could flood the market with that kind of inventory without destroying the land market for farmers, ranchers and many other owners.

If you want to argue that the federal government should not hold land, I might disagree but at least it’s a position. But the idea that we can dig out of debt with asset sales is simply a fundamentally false argument.


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[idahodave]

All you bitter, non-residents realize you can use federal lands for more than hunting right?..or do you have to be guaranteed a tag for it to matter to you?

You sound like a bunch of petulant children.

 

[StuckInTheEast]

I appreciate the math here is ridiculously simplistic. But if you take the current national debt of 36 trillion divided by the roughly combined acreage of BLM and NF land of 439mm acres, we would need to maintain a value of over 82K per acre to “pay off” the national debt with public land sales.

Not to mention the hilarious premise that you could flood the market with that kind of inventory without destroying the land market for farmers, ranchers and many other owners.

If you want to argue that the federal government should not hold land, I might disagree but at least it’s a position. But the idea that we can dig out of debt with asset sales is simply a fundamentally false argument.


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I was going to say pretty much the same thing...but based on what I would consider more realistic numbers of selling off 250mil acres at an average price of 15k an acre...because let's face it, most blm/nfs land is not gonna fetch a premium due to location/topography...
That's only 3.75 trillion....Barely a drop in the bucket on the deficit.

 

[roadrunner]

Need to convince 10 GOP Senators to vote no. I can't see any dem Senators voting for it.

 

[Rifleman86]

All you bitter, non-residents realize you can use federal lands for more than hunting right?..or do you have to be guaranteed a tag for it to matter to you?

You sound like a bunch of petulant children.

Of course we do. I’d be fighting this whether I could hunt there or not.

Point remains a lot of us might not know or care about these issues if it weren’t for the fact we we able to hunt in western states on public land in the first place. I would’ve never known or cared about these issues had I never started hunting out west.

Bottom line, the NR v R is like two friends getting in a bar fight over who pays the tab while a bum steals their wallets.

But keep calling your allies names on Internet forums while your elected officials try and sell your hunting land. I’m sure that’s a good strategy.

 

[tpicou]

I hit both of them up too, and house. Although one ran for President on it. But none the less I put the effort in. My house rep is actually pro public land


Hit down all you want, but it's a growing perception that BECOMING A reality. I hear it all the time, if someone is in a low public land state and can't afford to hunt out of state or even put in for out of states dismal draw odds ANYMORE and feel persecuted for being a NR... Do you think they are writing their congressman? No they aren't. They arent driving 10-20hrs just to go hiking in NF,... They drive to hunt

Yeah even as someone who spends financial and political capital fighting for stuff like this personally and through my role as treasurer of an eastern seaboard SCI chapter it does get old when everyone runs to us (or texans) to help save what are essentially western hunting grounds and then they turn around and act like they don’t want us to hunt there.

Like it or not, people who don’t live in the western states are eventually just going to shrug.

 

[KurtR]

All you bitter, non-residents realize you can use federal lands for more than hunting right?..or do you have to be guaranteed a tag for it to matter to you?

You sound like a bunch of petulant children.

No one said guaranteed tag.

But keep this up and watch support dwindle

 

[ztc92]

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The Senate drafted the budget-reconciliation bill and it would require the Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service to sell 0.5 to 0.75 percent of their land, roughly 2.2 to 3.3 million acres in eleven western states.

The draft targets federal land in Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.

This skips the normal NEPA public-comment process . Those acres belong to every American; they support hunting, fishing, camping, wildlife habitat, and general outdoor-recreation. Once in private hands, they can be fenced, paved, or flipped for profit, and that shared value is gone forever .

The Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee votes the week of June 24, and the full Senate could vote before the July 4 recess with only 51 votes needed to pass.

***If you care at all about public lands, and do not want any amount sold off please take 5 minutes and contact the ENR committee, and then your states representatives.***

Committee roster and email links: https://www.energy.senate.gov/members

This is Chairman Mike Lee’s of Utah's ENR reconciliation draft. Call the committee desk at 202-224-4971 or use each member’s email form on that page and ask them to remove the public land-sale section.

Email or call your two state senators: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm

Capitol switchboard is 202-224-3121 which connects you by phone. Use the contact forms at the link above if you prefer email.

Write a message expressing why every acre of your public lands are important to you, or at the very least use the following:

“I am a constituent who values public land. Please vote no on any bill that sells or privatizes BLM or Forest Service acres.”

Every call and short email is logged, and a strong early push can persuade key senators to pull this provision before our public acres vanish behind No Trespassing signs.

If you contact them (please do), comment back here to keep this post going. Takes 5 minutes!

More information:
https://www.wilderness.org/articles...on-acres-public-lands-eligible-sale-senr-bill

Thanks for making it easy for us, I sent A message to my two senators and all those on the ENR as well.

 

[Tilzbow]

I’ll qualify the following statement with the fact I really have no idea what the land will sell for but given the fact it’s totally undeveloped with little to zero infrastructure (water, sewer, power, quality roads, etc) on it and possible none close by it can’t be much.

Selling 3 million acres at a generous $50,000 per acre will effectively do absolutely nothing to help pay down the $37 trillion federal deficit.

3M x $50,000 = $150 billion
$150 billion/$37 trillion = .4% deficit reduction

An even more generous $100,000 per acre results in a massive .8% deficit reduction. You can do the math from there.

 

[Poser]

I’ll qualify the following statement with the fact I really have no idea what the land will sell for but given the fact it’s totally undeveloped with little to zero infrastructure (water, sewer, power, quality roads, etc) on it and possible none close by it can’t be much.

Selling 3 million acres at a generous $50,000 per acre will effectively do absolutely nothing to help pay down the $37 trillion federal deficit.

3M x $50,000 = $150 billion
$150 billion/$37 trillion = .4% deficit reduction

An even more generous $100,000 per acre results in a massive .8% deficit reduction. You can do the math from there.

They have to pay a 5% commission to the respective states. The estimates I've seen are this raises more like 10 billion in total revenue.