Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[BuzzH]

I 100% agree with you on that issue. Its the land management part we disagree on.

Then you shouldn't be complaining what any state charges nrs or what kind of limitations they put on you for allocations.

It's a states right to do so, period.

 

[Lawnboi]

It's a balance beam between opportunity in quantity or quality. Of those seven tags I had, 6 were not in the draw and I was unsucessful. The one I snagged in the draw for 11 points was successful. Just like somewhere else you said one can hunt for the cheap in WI, but with oodles of other folks.

It cannot be both ways, and if people want to hunt a certain state they genuinely need to consider moving there. Their choice not to tells me it isn't as important as they make on about it.

Your last paragraph resonates with me and what I will look to in the future when my circumstances allow.

Until then I’ll continue to take whatever I can justify from other states sell me for exorbitant amounts of money.

 

[BuzzH]

Since we aren’t talking about Wyoming anymore and our own states, it certainly is that way here. I mean I did get a doe tag for my backyard last year if that counts .

I just see where it’s all going.

I agree Wyoming can manage it’s wildlife however it sees fit. I just find it ironic the arguments being made, on both sides. It’s bad for hunters as a whole.

So I guess giving nrs 13k elk tags...about double the 7250, more than 50% of pronghorn tags, and way more than 20% of our deer tags is bad?

Maybe it would be better if we held nrs to the caps and not one additional tag more.

Make no mistake nrs have it good in Wyoming....way better than most any other state they hunt as nrs....just a fact. Better tag numbers, better hunt quality, more access, and very affordable nr pricing.

I find it unbelievable there are any complaints from nrs. But I've discovered people complain about everything.

 

[CJ19]

There's more awareness, influence, and support for public lands now than anytime I've been alive.

It's going to thrive more in the information age....

It pains me to say it but i have been on your side of the fence regarding federal lands until recently. But i feel differently now. Its not one issue but alot over time. All the residents of these states poking NRs in The eye saying, we dont need no stinkin NRs round here has just re enforced it.

 

[CoStick]

The right of states to manage the wildlife within its borders for the benefit of that states citizens.

I get that but WY is so dependent on federal aid it would seem nonresidents have more skin in the game in WY.

 

[Lawnboi]

So I guess giving nrs 13k elk tags...about double the 7250, more than 50% of pronghorn tags, and way more than 20% of our deer tags is bad?

Maybe it would be better if we held nrs to the caps and not one additional tag more.

Make no mistake nrs have it good in Wyoming....way better than most any other state they hunt as nrs....just a fact.

Do you have stuff completely irrelevant to argue about pre typed? Makes no sense. Your telling me stuff I know like I should be thankful. And it in no way ties to the quote.

I treasure the current oppritunity I have in a number of states, including Wyoming.

 

[tdhanses]

There's more awareness, influence, and support for public lands now than anytime I've been alive.

It's going to thrive more in the information age....

Yes but that’s still a vast minority and national debt has never been more then it is now.

 

[diamond10x]

I see Hillary Clinton’s brother is back.

 

[BuzzH]

Yes but that’s still a vast minority.

Not as much as you believe....I get around and talk to lots of folks.

 

[tdhanses]

Not as much as you believe....I get around and talk to lots of folks.

How many in NY, CA, IL etc, states with little to none? I get you talk to those interested in BHA, far from a representation of the population as a whole.

Be interesting to see how many if you told them 20% is what is utilized and would be retained wouldn’t jump on board, also many in these states could easily afford their little western slice much easier once millions of acres are opened up for sale.

 

[BuzzH]

Do you have stuff completely irrelevant to argue about pre typed? Makes no sense. Your telling me stuff I know like I should be thankful. And it in no way ties to the quote.

I treasure the current oppritunity I have in a number of states, including Wyoming.

Good, take them and say thank you.

 

[QuackAttack]

1) 90/10 resident/non-resident allocation.
2) increase fees for non residents due to loss from 90/10
3) guides and outfitters set aside 30% of total non- residents allocation
4)resident preference for leftover tags
5) decrease in non-resident General elk tags
These are NOT laws but have been presented to Wyoming legislation . There was recent changes to the western "Big Five" negatively affected non-residents. There was a biological concern about the decrease in numbers of species hence decrease in tags. I also feel for non- resident hunters who have sent WY game and fish money for points only to have a decrease in odds or waiting longer to use them. Especially older hunters. I wasn't aware that there were biological concerns about elk /deer numbers? I realize the state of Wyoming owns the elk and it is their decision on how to manage the resource . I know nobody owes me nothing ,I'm not a resident, don't pay Wyoming taxes, and should sell my house, change jobs,uproot my family and move to Wyoming to hunt (really?) Also i,m a whinning, complaining, crybaby. Quit bitchin. Let's get all that out of the way. I'll be honest I have nothing against Wyoming residents, but geeze if some have their way this stuff is possibly heading in an unfavorable direction for a non-resident elk hunter. When it all comes down to it I guess one makes a personal decision whether they want to continue sending money to Wyoming game and fish

Reality-

There is a lot of human psychology at play in hunting. Jealousy…”they got more than me”. Bitterness…envy…laziness…greed.

These traits are human traits and the hunting world is full of people that exhibit them.

It is more common in waterfowl hunting in places like AR, where guys try to claim public land as theirs, fight, shoot at other hunters, vandalize people’s cars and boats, threaten their kids, and so on. Game wardens arrested a grown man in AR this season for punching a 16 year old kid that beat him to a spot on public land.

Now, hunting season in AR is called “the season of hate”.


So, AR responds by banning non residents on most public ground…even though the NR hunters weren’t the problem children.

The same pattern repeats. Hunters must stop hating other hunters, stop being jealous, and quit acting like children. It’s not non residents…and banning them won’t make you a better hunter.


Hunter numbers and political influence are the core of why we have any rights left. Eliminate access and that dies.


It’s pure shortsighted greed. Stupid…

 

[BuzzH]

How many in NY, CA, IL etc, state with little to none? I get you talk to thise interested in BHA, far from a representation of the population as a whole.

I talk to all kinds of people....just spent a week in PA...public land seems important to folks I talked with out that way.

 

[realunlucky]

I see Hillary Clinton’s brother is back.

Do you feel this added anything to the discussion? Just taking the opportunity for a cheap shot.

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[tdhanses]

I talk to all kinds of people....just spent a week in PA...public land seems important to folks I talked with out that way.

Did you randomly talk to people in downtown Pittsburgh or did you talk to people that attended a specific type of event they showed interest in attending? How many thousands did you talk to over the week to get a feel for how PA feels?

Did you talk to hunters mainly?

 

[BuzzH]

I get that but WY is so dependent on federal aid it would seem nonresidents have more skin in the game in WY.

Nope, wildlife and land ownership are mutually exclusive. Randy Newberg has a good video on it....Google it, kings deer irrc is the episode.

The only federal aid I'm aware of that states receive for wildlife is Pittman Robertson and dingell Johnson funding which is paid by excise taxes on hunting and fishing equipment. Not even from the taxpayers, but a self funded and imposed tax.

All 50 states and iirc even the us territories receive.

 

[diamond10x]

Do you feel this added anything to the discussion? Just taking the opportunity for a cheap shot.

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No different than a lot of other comments from others who want to call names and make assumptions of anyone who want to discuss the issue. Added plenty to the discussion early on.

 

[sndmn11]

Your last paragraph resonates with me and what I will look to in the future when my circumstances allow.

Until then I’ll continue to take whatever I can justify from other states sell me for exorbitant amounts of money.

The extra money for NR is in every state though. I can hunt low quality pronghorn here in CO every year on the cheap, or I can get a significantly better experience in WY/AZ/NM if it is worth the $ to me or the relocation. It isn't and I love pronghorn. It looks like Wisconsin has an elk hunt for $49 if one is lucky enough to draw. It looks like I can pay hundreds of dollars for a PA or KY elk license, I chose not to. Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota and Nebraska exclude non-res from enjoying their elk if I am doing the googles correctly. Maybe the thousands upon thousands of elk licenses available in other states aren't so egregiously biased as they are made out to be.

 

[BuzzH]

Did you randomly talk to people in downtown Pittsburgh or did you talk to people that attended a specific type of event they showed interest in attending? How many thousands did you talk to over the week to get a feel for how PA feels?

Did you talk to hunters mainly?

Yes, actually I did, right in Pittsburg at Fort Pitt and the duquesne incline.

The idea of public land needs no defense, only more defenders.

 

[CoStick]

Nope, wildlife and land ownership are mutually exclusive. Randy Newberg has a good video on it....Google it, kings deer irrc is the episode.

The only federal aid I'm aware of that states receive for wildlife is Pittman Robertson and dingell Johnson funding which is paid by excise taxes on hunting and fishing equipment. Not even from the taxpayers, but a self funded and imposed tax.

All 50 states and iirc even the us territories receive.

The state as a whole is dependent on federal funding more than most states in the country, opposite Colorado for example that comparatively needs far less. We fund your state’s lifestyle, perhaps some appreciation can be shown.