License to Shed Hunt

[kiddogy]

My opinion: make selling of sheds illegal. I’ll keep picking them up and stacking them around my yard. It should not be a commercial enterprise.

silly idea by a silly person.


glad I already got my 20x12 built in da backyard.


this idea is right up there with the banning evil guns ideas.


jocularity aside , it is my humble belief that any law man needs has already been made and enough bullshit FEES have already been implemented.

 

[rob86jeep]

silly idea by a silly person.


glad I already got my 20x12 built in da backyard.


this idea is right up there with the banning evil guns ideas.


jocularity aside , it is my humble belief that any law man needs has already been made and enough bullshit FEES have already been implemented.

silly idea by a silly person.


glad I already got my 20x12 built in da backyard.


this idea is right up there with the banning evil guns ideas.


jocularity aside , it is my humble belief that any law man needs has already been made and enough bullshit FEES have already been implemented.

Is it also "silly" to make the sale of wild game illegal? Why would it be any different to the antlers of wild game?

 

[rob86jeep]

The state didn't invent shed hunting regulations to make a profit, they made them to protect the animals from undue stress. How can this be a bad decision? You can still shed hunt, just during certain times. Is it also wrong to regulate the hunting of game animals to a specific season? I haven't seen a single, valid reason which anybody has stated for shed hunting to be legal year round.

 

[kiddogy]

Is it also "silly" to make the sale of wild game illegal? Why would it be any different to the antlers of wild game?

yes! it is silly.if I go out and kill an animal and do it all legal by jumping through all the hoops put in place , why shouldn't it be legal for me to sell what I now own? I can't see where I ever would but why shouldn't it be legal????

 

[rob86jeep]

yes! it is silly.

Would you prefer if hunting was unregulated? How do you think the game population would be if people were allowed to kill as many wild game animals as they wished at anytime throughout the year?

 

[kiddogy]

Would you prefer if hunting was unregulated? How do you think the game population would be if people were allowed to kill as many wild game animals as they wished at anytime throughout the year?

is it any wonder I find you silly??????????

hunting is regulated . that is not the issue at hand , so stop trying to make it so to deflect your dumb ideas which is to further regulate what is already regulated .


it is much the same as banning the "evil" gun when we already have assault and murder laws on the books.

not all regulations are bad ,per say BUT regulations do not solve all problems and often create them.


I have no particular issue with not allowing antler hunting till april or so. adding to that , a license fee IS, imho, pure B.S.

 

[rob86jeep]

is it any wonder I find you silly??????????

hunting is regulated . that is not the issue at hand , so stop trying to make it so to deflect your dumb ideas which is to further regulate what is already regulated .


it is much the same as banning the "evil" gun when we already have assault and murder laws on the books.

not all regulations are bad ,per say BUT regulations do not solve all problems and often create them.


I have no particular issue with not allowing antler hunting till april or so. adding to that , a license fee IS, imho, pure B.S.

You replied to a comment which suggested making the selling of sheds illegal, and you said that was "right up there with the banning of evil guns."

How is that similar at all? I respect that everyone has an opinion, and your's is obvious. However, I don't see the relation your talking about?

 

[rob86jeep]

yes! it is silly.if I go out and kill an animal and do it all legal by jumping through all the hoops put in place , why shouldn't it be legal for me to sell what I now own? I can't see where I ever would but why shouldn't it be legal????

I see you edited your comment. The selling of wild game is illegal because of what happened in our early days. If we didn't make that law, a lot of our wildlife would now be extinct.

I'm probably done responding to this thread now. You're entitled to your opinion as is everybody else. I'm just glad we have people in place who have the foresight to regulate things so that future generations can hopefully have the same opportunity to experience hunting that we have today.

 

[kiddogy]

I see you edited your comment. The selling of wild game is illegal because of what happened in our early days. If we didn't make that law, a lot of our wildlife would now be extinct.

I'm probably done responding to this thread now. You're entitled to your opinion as is everybody else. I'm just glad we have people in place who have the foresight to regulate things so that future generations can hopefully have the same opportunity to experience hunting that we have today.

unless they regulate it from existence

 

[kiddogy]

You replied to a comment which suggested making the selling of sheds illegal, and you said that was "right up there with the banning of evil guns."

How is that similar at all? I respect that everyone has an opinion, and your's is obvious. However, I don't see the relation your talking about?

both are stupid ideas from silly people.

 

[chrisspike]

I agree with this. Money is ruining hunting period

Money is what decimated wildlife in America the first time

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[Phaseolus]

Money is what is ruining shed hunting. It’s the people who are hunting sheds for money, not the ones who hunt sheds because they love being out in the woods.

It’s not 1950 anymore, not even in Idaho.

 

[5MilesBack]

Money is what is ruining shed hunting. It’s the people who are hunting sheds for money

Your second statement is much closer to the truth. "Money" isn't the problem with shed hunting anymore than "guns" are the problem with mass shootings. PEOPLE are the problem. Just too dang many of them these days.

 

[Shrek]

Just one more tax...Just one more law...utopia will be achieved ! Comrades !

 

[Phaseolus]

Just one more tax...Just one more law...utopia will be achieved ! Comrades !

Do you in Florida have any idea what kind of problem it has become in western states? It has become an ‘industry’ here.

 

[jmez]

Money is what decimated wildlife in America the first time

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No, people did.

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[Shrek]

Do you in Florida have any idea what kind of problem it has become in western states? It has become an ‘industry’ here.

Oh yes ! In the next breath half of those advocating for a shed hunting license will tell us how great it will be when wolves return to Colorado. Shed hunting is going to be a problem so long as there’s money to be made while having fun. Then there’s the ever increasing winter sports crowds out snowmobiling , cross country skiing , snow shoeing. The shed hunting is just a part of what’s going on. Unless you ban all off pavement activities during the winter I think you’re not making a bit of a difference. I think this is mostly driven by jealous people who hate that someone got there first and got all the good antlers. Nobody here is advocating for banning or licensing all off pavement activities during critical late winter months so I can’t take it seriously that the health of the herd is the motivation.

 

[Jauwater]

Oh yes ! In the next breath half of those advocating for a shed hunting license will tell us how great it will be when wolves return to Colorado. Shed hunting is going to be a problem so long as there’s money to be made while having fun. Then there’s the ever increasing winter sports crowds out snowmobiling , cross country skiing , snow shoeing. The shed hunting is just a part of what’s going on. Unless you ban all off pavement activities during the winter I think you’re not making a bit of a difference. I think this is mostly driven by jealous people who hate that someone got there first and got all the good antlers. Nobody here is advocating for banning or licensing all off pavement activities during critical late winter months so I can’t take it seriously that the health of the herd is the motivation.

This was basically my initial thought about it. If the health of the herd is the real issue then are we gonna start needing licenses or permits for hiking, snowshoeing, mountain biking, exploration, bird watching, snow mobiling, 4 wheeling, or even just camping in general? I feel like if your forcing a person to get a license for walking in the woods picking up antlers, then where does it end? I'll admit I am ignorant to shed hunting in the west. So I dunno if that's all people are doing. Or if they are actually tracking herds, and pushing them along to pick up there antlers, and I could understand the problem there. I'm really just cautious of giving government any reason to sniff around cause if they find money in shed hunting off the premise people are walking in the woods disturbing wild life then that could roll into all kinds of other activities. Humans reintroduce Wolves into areas, and then humans force licenses on humans for disturbing wildlife seems backwards. If that is indeed the issue of herd health.

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[Poser]

This was basically my initial thought about it. If the health of the herd is the real issue then are we gonna start needing licenses or permits for hiking, snowshoeing, mountain biking, exploration, bird watching, snow mobiling, 4 wheeling, or even just camping in general? I feel like if your forcing a person to get a license for walking in the woods picking up antlers, then where does it end? I'll admit I am ignorant to shed hunting in the west. So I dunno if that's all people are doing. Or if they are actually tracking herds, and pushing them along to pick up there antlers, and I could understand the problem there. I'm really just cautious of giving government any reason to sniff around cause if they find money in shed hunting off the premise people are walking in the woods disturbing wild life then that could roll into all kinds of other activities.

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The direct problem here is that shed hunters go to exactly where the elk are during the Spring. All of the other activities have pressure effects as well, both direct and indirect, but shed hunters are going in as soon as the snow has receded enough that they can hike. By that time, Backcountry skiing is mostly relegated to couloirs and alpine peaks. Snowmobile season is pretty much over as the snow has gotten patchy. Prime wintering grounds for these activities? Not so much. It’s generally considered “mud season” and is not a desirable time for Mtn biking, backpacking etc. there are pressure effects, but during this shed hunting “season”, shed hunting likely has the single greatest impact on elk. Wintering grounds that were closed to human access were just opened up and the pressure is sudden and dramatic. There are also people who do this illicitly and enter closed wintering grounds prematurely.

I don’t presume to have all of the answers but I do know that shed hunting has a significant impact.

 

[Wapiti406]

I am not particularly in favor of or against a license to look for sheds. But, what exactly would a license to shed hunt accomplish? I’m going out on a limb and guess that any potential shed hunting license in Montana would likely cost less than a resident elk tag, $20. Would this cost really stop people from looking for sheds and possibly harassing wildlife? I doubt it.

I do spend a significant amount of the spring looking for sheds, and I would have no problem with a minor fee. IF, the fee funds were allocated in an appropriate way, and not squandered. Like say, helping inforce regulations on motorized use in high profile wintering grounds where people often look for sheds. Every year there are snowmobile, four-wheeler or dirtbike tracks in a non-motorized zone I look for sheds. I have called the Forest Service ranger station several times and it doesn’t seem like there is a whole lot they can do without witnessing the act.. If the fee went to the conservation of the wintering grounds I’d be all for it. If the license is just another fee for FWP to give people, I am against it.

Not to go off on a tangent, but it is laughable than come the beginning of March Montana FWP will start releasing PSA’s about how people should not disturb wildlife in wintering grounds while looking for sheds, even though many districts allow an asinine shoulder season through February 15. I guess shooting at cows in chest deep snow all winter is not harassing, but somehow walking where the elk walked a day prior is?