Lead ingestion health risks

[Article 4]

I’m sure I will get flamed, but the current consensus at an academic level is that existing guidelines are overly generous, especially in children. The basic gist is that any blood lead level is harmful (but as I’ve said, we all die of something).

I would say that if you were trying to study the effects of ingesting game on BLLs, you would try to look for statistically significant increases in a population, not just whether those who consume game had levels requiring intervention.

A side thought
I doubt I will die from lead poisoning lol - nor will many of us. I have learned a lot from this research and to me, the most urgent need around this is potentially children or fetus...adults maybe not so much unless you live someplace like Greenland or Norway or are packing in 100 ducks a year without being diligent about your butchering.

As far as statistical significance, I found this NEJM study talking about toxic levels in kids. If anyone wants to refute the NEJM then wow...there is nothing that will please them

Well designed, good P Values etc...not directly answering the OP question but maybe shedding a bit of light on the "what is truly toxic part)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022848

 

[Hoopleheader]

no flaming. Just a good discussion as it sounds like you are familiar with how it work

So statistical significance is important, and measure P Value (maybe some folks read this and aren't familiar) is how we gauge it.

P value is generally not considered part of a small sample set study - which these are. P values of 0.05 would be min to achieve significance. A P value of .0005 would be very significant. The lower the number, the less variance in the data and more reliable it is

To achieve that kind of data, we need a control group, and randomization, and blinding of the data with at at least 60 people and more likely something around 200-300 to show any hope of a really good of P Value.

These studies weren’t powered to look at statistical significance, they merely looked at trackable levels. I included them only to answer the OP question of does it transmit and is it possible.

I’m sure I agree with you, but three beers in you can probably pull a fast one on me

 

[Article 4]

I’m sure I agree with you, but three beers in you can probably pull a fast one on me

Hell i might have quoted Shakespeare.
Who says i don’t have a double bookers bourbon going?

 

[Hoopleheader]

A lot of these threads would only be 2 posts if Form jumped on as soon as they appear, pontificates some kind of a 2 or 3 sentence discourse, and then shut the thread down...

When are we going to get a “praised be” reaction emoji for such instances

 

[Dave C.]

That's super interesting. Do you mind sharing your BLL's? Do they stay consistent quarter to quarter? Does your game meat consumption stay consistent throughout the year, or does it vaymry seasonally?

If you'd rather not share I understand, but the data would be really neat to see if you're willing.

I'll share mine. They were ZERO as in NON-Existent despite years of eating lead-shot game and having split-shot fishing wts in my mouth while fishing. Article 4 can't show you a study which demonstrates DOCUMENTED elevated Pb serologic levels after ingesting lead-shot game BECAUSE NONE EXIST.

 

[JGRaider]

I'll share mine. They were ZERO as in NON-Existent despite years of eating lead-shot game and having split-shot fishing wts in my mouth while fishing. Article 4 can't show you a study which demonstrates DOCUMENTED elevated Pb serologic levels after ingesting lead-shot game BECAUSE NONE EXIST.

Don't spoil their fun. They like hearing themselves talk. I grew up in the oilfields of W TX, and still have normal levels. My dad is 90 and has the same story, mom is 89 and ditto for her.

 

[Hoopleheader]

I'll share mine. They were ZERO as in NON-Existent despite years of eating lead-shot game and having split-shot fishing wts in my mouth while fishing. Article 4 can't show you a study which demonstrates DOCUMENTED elevated Pb serologic levels after ingesting lead-shot game BECAUSE NONE EXIST.

While I believe you that your levels are low, they likely aren’t actually zero. There are enough natural/environmental sources to give you some ongoing exposure.

Most medical tests don’t report levels below 1, which is probably where you are (0-1) like the majority of Americans who’s levels are a fraction of Mr. Raider’s

 

[Hoopleheader]

Don't spoil their fun. They like hearing themselves talk. I grew up in the oilfields of W TX, and still have normal levels. My dad is 90 and has the same story, mom is 89 and ditto for her.

Don't spoil their fun. They like hearing themselves talk. I grew up in the oilfields of W TX, and still have normal levels. My dad is 90 and has the same story, mom is 89 and ditto for her.

While I do enjoy the sound of my own vice, you are the one who jumped in primarily to throw out an insult.

 

[Hoopleheader]

I think if we wanted to create a dataset that might be meaningful, we would have Roksliders who fall into the below categories submit their blood lead levels:

Eat lead shot game consistently (defined how?)
Do not shoot much (I’m taking about the 90% of eastern deer hunters who shoot 3 rounds before a season and 1-5 at Bambi running away and that’s it)
Do not reload
Live in a home and neighborhood built after the mid 80s (ruling out lead service lines, lead based soldier and lead paint)
Have an occupation where lead exposures are not a factor

My guess those folks would fall into Dave C’s category of low BLLs in line with national medians.

 

[Pharmseller]

Good data regarding children. I'm 64.

You’re ooooooold!





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[Pharmseller]

Hell i might have quoted Shakespeare.
Who says i don’t have a double bookers bourbon going?

I am in blood
Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.

So how much lead do you figure was in Macbeth’s pool of blood?




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[Article 4]

I am in blood
Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.

So how much lead do you figure was in Macbeth’s pool of blood?




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Macbeth.
Blood in. Blood out

 

[Pharmseller]

‘Tis better thee without than he within.

 

[JGRaider]

I think if we wanted to create a dataset that might be meaningful, we would have Roksliders who fall into the below categories submit their blood lead levels:

Eat lead shot game consistently (defined how?)
Do not shoot much (I’m taking about the 90% of eastern deer hunters who shoot 3 rounds before a season and 1-5 at Bambi running away and that’s it)
Do not reload
Live in a home and neighborhood built after the mid 80s (ruling out lead service lines, lead based soldier and lead paint)
Have an occupation where lead exposures are not a factor

My guess those folks would fall into Dave C’s category of low BLLs in line with national medians.

You're not really qualified to offer an opinion on anything to to do with actual hunting, bullets, lead shot, etc based on how little you get out of the house.

 

[Hoopleheader]

You're not really qualified to offer an opinion on anything to to do with actual hunting, bullets, lead shot, etc based on how little you get out of the house.

Sweet burn dude

 

[Article 4]

I'll share mine. They were ZERO as in NON-Existent despite years of eating lead-shot game and having split-shot fishing wts in my mouth while fishing. Article 4 can't show you a study which demonstrates DOCUMENTED elevated Pb serologic levels after ingesting lead-shot game BECAUSE NONE EXIST.

Perhaps you didn’t read the studies listed. i encourage you to

There are 4 DOCUMENTED studies from multiple sources showing elevated BLL levels taken by blood assay directly from lead taken from game. Both rifle bullets and shotgun shot.

Please don’t ask me to list them again for you. They are already here. Please don’t refer to what you require to make them valid. They are not my data.


Enjoy!

 

[Pharmseller]

Elevated enough to be considered hazardous?




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[Article 4]

Elevated enough to be considered hazardous?




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That wasn’t the OP question. The OP question was is there any documented evidence of transfer.

 

[Pharmseller]

That wasn’t the OP question. The OP question was is there any documented evidence of transfer.

Good for the OP.

I’m asking a different question.




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[Article 4]

Good for the OP.

I’m asking a different question.




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Go read them and answer it for yourself