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Counter-point: If everyone decided they didn't need to film every hunt they went on for the purpose of sales and marketing there would be a lot less to criticize.
HAHA! Let's be realistic that's not going to happen in any industry outside of an EMP.

But even if you got your wish nonconstructive criticism would still be there, it's easy. Now constructive criticism that's hard.
 

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Counter-point: If everyone decided they didn't need to film every hunt they went on for the purpose of sales and marketing there would be a lot less to criticize.
Who are you referring to when you say, everyone?

Frank and Brady went on that hunt because they wanted to. They shot the goats because they wanted to. I highly doubt a camera made a lick of difference to either one of them.

I think it's funny how many people criticize from the sidelines. Most without ever knowing what it's like to have someone with a camera following you around while you're trying to hunt.

I’d be curious to hear how it would be in the eyes of general folks if it were a ram in the video.

I think most miss the point that they didn’t give 2 chits about that goat, their comment spoke volumes.
How did they not care about the goat or recovering it? We have no idea what they felt or tried to do that day on the mountain. I've never met Frank before and I'm betting you haven't either. Maybe he tried for hours to get to that goat unsuccessfully but the person editing the video didn't include the footage because it was long, boring, and didn't end with recovery.
 

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Question for guy/gals that have hunted Mt Goats more than once or twice. I hear two different camps, some say MT Goats are a PIA to hunt others claim to walk right up and club them. I'm guessing, it depends on location?? Don't know I've never hunted goats.
 

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Who are you referring to when you say, everyone?

Frank and Brady went on that hunt because they wanted to. They shot the goats because they wanted to. I highly doubt a camera made a lick of difference to either one of them.

I think it's funny how many people criticize from the sidelines. Most without ever knowing what it's like to have someone with a camera following you around while you're trying to hunt.


How did they not care about the goat or recovering it? We have no idea what they felt or tried to do that day on the mountain. I've never met Frank before and I'm betting you haven't either. Maybe he tried for hours to get to that goat unsuccessfully but the person editing the video didn't include the footage because it was long, boring, and didn't end with recovery.

I’d gladly post the screenshot of their YouTube comment, but can’t find the A hole in me to do it. If you find my earlier post, it’s word for word. Tells exactly how they felt.
 

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Who are you referring to when you say, everyone?

Frank and Brady went on that hunt because they wanted to. They shot the goats because they wanted to. I highly doubt a camera made a lick of difference to either one of them.

I think it's funny how many people criticize from the sidelines. Most without ever knowing what it's like to have someone with a camera following you around while you're trying to hunt.
I think who I'm referring to is pretty obvious. Everyone out there releasing videos of hunting in order to sell products...which is a LOT of people. I really don't have a problem with it to be honest, but the reality is that if you are going to be releasing content in order to drum up business for your brand you better have your $*** together and show hunting a good light. If you fail at that you are going to get called out by people who are sick and tired of having to defend hunting from a bunch of people who only know about hunting from seeing online content.

Of course they wanted to go on that hunt! Who wouldn't??? If the camera didn't make a difference though...why did they bring it? Was it perhaps to....sell more backpacks for Kifaru?

Since we are talking about things we think are funny, I find it funny when people go out of their way to get "famous" and then complain about any criticism they receive. I'll never know what it's like having a camera follow me around when I'm hunting because I'm not trying to profit from hunting. You are the one doing that and you are the one who is going to have to deal with the backlash if your film isn't received well. If you can't handle that...well, you may be in the wrong line of work my friend.
 
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Me if I go on a hunt and pay that much I’m killing something .
Even though I don't typically agree with the must-be-guided rule in AK, this sentiment is one of the reasons it will remain in place and honestly provides an instance where I can actually back the rule. It was the guide's job to control this very emotion and he failed. It's his job to protect the population from the inevitable poor decisions made by people that have no local stake and could care less if they shoot a nanny or if a goat cliff jumps because they're on their once in a lifetime hunt in a unit they will never step foot in again and just need to get it done. From the sounds of it, the guide was a nonlocal as well; which is becoming more and more of a debate in AK hunting politics and this exact situation is one of the reasons.
 
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Ok, ok. Next time a person loses and or can retrieve an animal they have to ball their eyes out in front of the camera to appease non-hunters. Got it.
Cue the tears.
I had to leave a Tahr on a cliff face a few years ago. Did it suck, yes. Was it worth death trying to retrieve, **** no. I was solo, so nobody got to see me weep for the next 5 days. I wept so much it caused one of the biggest floods in New Zealand history. March of 2018. Look it up. Washed out bridges and everything. Get over yourselves. Nobody is perfect. A glass house can be broken from both sides.


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Who are you referring to when you say, everyone?

Frank and Brady went on that hunt because they wanted to. They shot the goats because they wanted to. I highly doubt a camera made a lick of difference to either one of them.

I think it's funny how many people criticize from the sidelines. Most without ever knowing what it's like to have someone with a camera following you around while you're trying to hunt.


How did they not care about the goat or recovering it? We have no idea what they felt or tried to do that day on the mountain. I've never met Frank before and I'm betting you haven't either. Maybe he tried for hours to get to that goat unsuccessfully but the person editing the video didn't include the footage because it was long, boring, and didn't end with recovery.
I think that's kinda the point. They hunted because they wanted to and they had it filmed because they wanted to. Not being a smart ass towards you but were they forced to be filmed?

While I agree with you that there are a lot of couch quarterbacks that's the choice they made when it was filmed and made public, good or bad.

We don't know how they felt, which could have easily been portrayed in the film and i think thats where alot of issues come from. Regardless who edited it they should have taken the time say hey I want to see the film before it is released and make changes. If its their hunt they should have the option to say what goes to the public and what doesn't.

There are a 1000 videos out there of goats, sheep, elk etc being shot, but showing the difficulties or emotions that we relate to are what separates a quality film from the rest. They missed the mark in my opinion. And thats also why its probably being edited.

When you don't include all the details or emotions of the hunt you leave it up to those who watch to interpret it. They are responsible for that and posting it publicly should be expected to receive a variety of criticisms.
 

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I don't think the video was terrible; hunt wild animals in wild places enough and shit's gonna happen. That said, it's not like mtn goats are notoriously hard to stalk. Not sure why they felt they had to long bomb it.
I might be wrong but I thought Franks shot was 180 yards?

You are correct though, you hunt long enough shit happens.
 
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I watched the video, thought it sucked he lost his goat but good he didn’t cry or make excuses, crap happens and I didn’t take away a feeling he could of cared less or didn’t want to get down to it.

Seems like every year a few goat hunters die falling off the mountain, i wasn’t there but doubt they just walked away from an easy to get to goat.

Guess I missed the thread on it but really didn’t think it was something people would get all worked up about.
 

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I might be wrong but I thought Franks shot was 180 yards?

You are correct though, you hunt long enough shit happen.
From what i remember it was a short shot, the goat then almost went down where it would stop but then went the wrong way and slid down down down, then another goat came out and his buddy shot it.
 

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It never takes the biggest fanboys long to surface.

Some of you would buy their underwear on Only Fans if they were for sale.
Having a different opinion about a video doesn't make someone a fanboy.

I can only speak for myself but I test and use a lot of brands. Kifaru does make some good products that I like and some other products I don't like. My view of their products has nothing to do with my view of their video.
 
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I watched the video, thought it sucked he lost his goat but good he didn’t cry or make excuses, crap happens and I didn’t take away a feeling he could of caredless or didn’t want to get down to it.

Seems like every year a few goat hunters die falling off the mountain, i wasn’t there but doubt they just walked away from an easy to get to goat.

Guess I missed the thread on it but really didn’t think it was something people would get all worked up about.
From what I have gathered, people in the original thread and this one are upset they didn't cry about it on film. It shows real emotion when you cry.

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Having a different opinion about a video doesn't make someone a fanboy.

I can only speak for myself but I test and use a lot of brands. Kifaru does make some good products that I like and some other products I don't like. My view of their products has nothing to do with my view of their video.
Correct. I would say the same on all counts.
 

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From what I have gathered, people in the original thread and this one are upset they didn't cry about it on film. It shows real emotion when you cry.

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Lol....did you even watch the video? They shot a goat, filmed it falling off a mountain, and never spoke of it again! Nobody wants them to cry about it, but if you are telling a story you need to TELL THE STORY! Pretty simple stuff really.
 
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